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If you're upset by this, would you also be upset by them using the same digital data to prosecute murders of adults?

by josephcsible 4y ago

sverona 4y ago
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- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  Every non-plant has a parasitic relationship to other organisms.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
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- partiallypro 4y ago
  I am pro-choice but your language is not helpful. I don't even know why/how people can say this. Abortion is often an incredibly difficult decision, it's not a game or some sort of joke. People aren't losing a parasite when they have a miscarriage, have a stillborn, or lose a baby during birth for other reasons.
justahuman74 4y ago
Why are adult humans relevant, we're talking about not-quite-humans-yet
bobkazamakis 4y ago
adults are citzens and pay taxes
- josephcsible 4y ago
  What about illegal immigrants who get paid cash under the table? They're not citizens and don't pay taxes.
  - justahuman74 4y ago
    Everyone pays sales tax though
krapp 4y ago
No, because murder is murder, but abortion is not.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  Thus, it's about abortion and not police using digital records
woodruffw 4y ago
I think it’s rude to ask rhetorical questions like this. Regardless of whether you agree, you definitely know that plenty of people don’t consider abortion murder (or anything close to murder).
- deleted 4y ago
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- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  Let's see: - There is an organism that is alive. - The organism belongs to the human species (as per DNA). - The organism is separate from the parents (different DNA). - It's an intervention that results in loss of life. - It's premeditated (regardless of justification). Those are all irrefutable facts. The gestation phase doesn't change the facts above. What do we call a premeditated intervention that results in the loss of life by forced means of an alive member of the human species? Use any word you want. These semantics will remain the same regardless of which word you use. (edit) I also do not care about what specific word you use, I care about the implications above.
  - lupire 4y ago
    You don't appear to know what a womb is.
    - 29athrowaway 4y ago
      1) Take a DNA sample from a human in gestation, regardless of gestation phase. Compare it with the parents DNA. The DNA will belong to the human species, and will be different to that of the parents. 2) Measure the vital signs of the organism. You will confirm that it is alive. 3) Try the same with other mammals. Please go ahead and try to falsify this. Have fun.
      - timbit42 4y ago
        I get a kick out of Evangelicals trying to determine when life begins. The entire process is life. If any part of procreation wasn't life, then it would fail. For an atheist, it's all life so ending the process at any point is technically death. Every sperm is sacred, so to speak. For a Jew or Christian though, the Bible doesn't consider the unborn to be human until they are birthed. Instead they are considered potentially human. Since it is not human, killing it isn't considered murder. Evangelicals wrongly believe their Bible considers the unborn to be human, thus their anti-abortion stance. If you look back to the 1960's, Evangelicals were not anti-abortion. That changed in the 1970's and here we are today.
saenns 4y ago
would you download a car?
- saenns 4y ago
  but yes, i would rather they not use the data to prosecute murder
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jupp0r 4y ago
Would you be upset to get charged with a crime for getting appendix surgery?
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  This proves his point though. It's not about police using digital records. It's about abortion.
xiphias2 4y ago
I'm much more upset that this has to happen for Facebook to finally get to E2E encryption. It shouldn't be a political decision. The police has to try everything legally possible to investigate a crime. The only new thing here is that right now the law is on the more conservative side.

If you're upset by this, would you also be upset by them using the same digital data to prosecute murders of adults?

sverona 4y ago

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29athrowaway 4y ago
Every non-plant has a parasitic relationship to other organisms.
nonethewiser 4y ago
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partiallypro 4y ago
I am pro-choice but your language is not helpful. I don't even know why/how people can say this. Abortion is often an incredibly difficult decision, it's not a game or some sort of joke. People aren't losing a parasite when they have a miscarriage, have a stillborn, or lose a baby during birth for other reasons.

justahuman74 4y ago

Why are adult humans relevant, we're talking about not-quite-humans-yet

bobkazamakis 4y ago

adults are citzens and pay taxes

josephcsible 4y ago
What about illegal immigrants who get paid cash under the table? They're not citizens and don't pay taxes.
- justahuman74 4y ago
  Everyone pays sales tax though

krapp 4y ago

No, because murder is murder, but abortion is not.

nonethewiser 4y ago
Thus, it's about abortion and not police using digital records

woodruffw 4y ago

I think it’s rude to ask rhetorical questions like this. Regardless of whether you agree, you definitely know that plenty of people don’t consider abortion murder (or anything close to murder).

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29athrowaway 4y ago
Let's see: - There is an organism that is alive. - The organism belongs to the human species (as per DNA). - The organism is separate from the parents (different DNA). - It's an intervention that results in loss of life. - It's premeditated (regardless of justification). Those are all irrefutable facts. The gestation phase doesn't change the facts above. What do we call a premeditated intervention that results in the loss of life by forced means of an alive member of the human species? Use any word you want. These semantics will remain the same regardless of which word you use. (edit) I also do not care about what specific word you use, I care about the implications above.
- lupire 4y ago
  You don't appear to know what a womb is.
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    1) Take a DNA sample from a human in gestation, regardless of gestation phase. Compare it with the parents DNA. The DNA will belong to the human species, and will be different to that of the parents. 2) Measure the vital signs of the organism. You will confirm that it is alive. 3) Try the same with other mammals. Please go ahead and try to falsify this. Have fun.
    - timbit42 4y ago
      I get a kick out of Evangelicals trying to determine when life begins. The entire process is life. If any part of procreation wasn't life, then it would fail. For an atheist, it's all life so ending the process at any point is technically death. Every sperm is sacred, so to speak. For a Jew or Christian though, the Bible doesn't consider the unborn to be human until they are birthed. Instead they are considered potentially human. Since it is not human, killing it isn't considered murder. Evangelicals wrongly believe their Bible considers the unborn to be human, thus their anti-abortion stance. If you look back to the 1960's, Evangelicals were not anti-abortion. That changed in the 1970's and here we are today.

saenns 4y ago

would you download a car?

saenns 4y ago
but yes, i would rather they not use the data to prosecute murder

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jupp0r 4y ago

Would you be upset to get charged with a crime for getting appendix surgery?

nonethewiser 4y ago
This proves his point though. It's not about police using digital records. It's about abortion.

xiphias2 4y ago

I'm much more upset that this has to happen for Facebook to finally get to E2E encryption. It shouldn't be a political decision. The police has to try everything legally possible to investigate a crime. The only new thing here is that right now the law is on the more conservative side.