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Consider the context in Florida. Are you aware of the political situation there? I think if you had the perspective of a Florida teacher, you would rightfully b

Consider the context in Florida. Are you aware of the political situation there? I think if you had the perspective of a Florida teacher, you would rightfully be cautious if not afraid.

skissane 4y ago
You really think Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison, because they had non-controversial but not technically approved books in their classrooms? Like him or loathe him, he’s a pretty smart politician, why would he engage in such an act of political self-sabotage? From what I understand, this is a state law, and there are 67 counties in Florida, and this is a report from a single county - is every teacher in the state doing this? Or is it just a thing in certain school districts? I suspect the later. I wonder what kind of characteristics would predict which school districts will have large large numbers of teachers reacting to the law in this way and which won’t?
- standardUser 4y ago
  The fact is that teachers have become a target from the right wing and DeSantis has been leading the charge with his words and actions. After the elaborate migrant flight fiasco, I don't think anyone wants to make big assumptions about what DeSantis won't do to satisfy his increasing bloodthirty base.
  - skissane 4y ago
    > The fact is that teachers have become a target from the right wing and DeSantis has been leading the charge with his words and actions. I wonder how many teachers in Florida vote for DeSantis, and still plan to vote for him even after all of this? While no doubt it is true that school teachers in the US (and public school teachers especially) tend to skew Democratic, I’m sure the number of DeSantis-voting public school teachers in Florida would be significantly greater than zero. I wonder if those teachers would agree that “teachers have become a target from the right wing”?
    - standardUser 4y ago
      Any person who can't agree with the phrase “teachers have become a target from the right wing” despite the overwhelming evidence, including countless direct quotes and video clips from elected conservative politicians, should not be allowed anywhere near a classroom because they are not operating in reality.
      - skissane 4y ago
        The phrase is wrong because the target is a certain kind of left-leaning teacher. Not teachers qua teachers. Right-leaning teachers are not being targeted. Teachers who aren’t explicitly “right-leaning”, but who think socially controversial topics are best avoided in the classroom, are not being targeted either. Nor do I think the target includes “contrarian leftist” teachers (the kind of teacher who might admire the African-American Marxist Adolph Reed, who basically says that all these race/sexuality/gender debates have turned into a distraction from the real work of class struggle, and thus serve the interests of the capitalist ruling class)
  - agensaequivocum 4y ago
    Teachers brought this upon themselves with the absolute degenerate crap they are indoctrinating kids with.
    - alistairSH 4y ago
      If your referring to CRT or some sort of homosexual brainwashing, I’ve yet to see any evidence either is an actual problem.
- test098 4y ago
  > You really think Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison Democracies don't function on the basis of a single person saying "trust me, I won't actually use this law that I enacted." And he didn't even give us that claim, you did.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison Governors don't throw people in prison. Prosecutors do. And there are a lot of them. Even if not prosecuted, committing a crime is grounds for termination for cause.
- Larrikin 4y ago
  Why would they make it a felony if they aren't going to enforce the law. Laws that are arbitrarily enforced is authoritarianism. Everyone in Russia is guilty of a crime under the Putin regime, just don't piss off the dictator. In America, the country as a whole is just now realizing how gross and arbitrarily enforced the war on drugs has been. Especially now that large swathes of the addicted are suburban and rural whites instead of black and brown people.
  - richbell 4y ago
    > Why would they make it a felony if they aren't going to enforce the law. Laws that are arbitrarily enforced is authoritarianism. No need to exercise the law if its mere existence is enough to alter people's behavior. ;) https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/897/chilling-effect https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/897/chilling-ef...
- jcranmer 4y ago
  > You really think Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison, because they had non-controversial but not technically approved books in their classrooms? Yes. > Like him or loathe him, he’s a pretty smart politician, why would he engage in such an act of political self-sabotage? If you can construct a plausible enough lie, the truth doesn't matter to his supporters anyways. See for example the anti-CRT rhetoric--where something as basic as "our founding fathers were individuals with complex, self-contradictory beliefs" is considered racial indoctrination because it doesn't say that the US is the bestest country to have ever existed. Or of course school board hearings involving people screaming over litter boxes. All it takes is for one parent to get angry--and if you're involved with school politics, you'll know that parents getting angry is basically guaranteed--about one book, and that'll be enough for a politician to do something performative. And DeSantis is good at being performative.
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- orwin 4y ago
  I think those teachers are smart: is it worth the hassle to go through each book? It's not. Better to have nothing the administration can find 'just cause' for termination or whatever. Don't take any risks for people that won't take any for you. More time for them, no 'mum for liberty' asking for a random comic to get banned because they did not hide it fast enough for the child the read the title and complain. I might be too cynical and spent too much time avoiding management, but isn't this the sensible, non confrontational way of adapting to a law you don't care that much about? Teachers don't want to get burned by a new law, choose to avoid exposing themselves to it, nice for them, predictable but nice.

Consider the context in Florida. Are you aware of the political situation there? I think if you had the perspective of a Florida teacher, you would rightfully be cautious if not afraid.

skissane 4y ago

You really think Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison, because they had non-controversial but not technically approved books in their classrooms? Like him or loathe him, he’s a pretty smart politician, why would he engage in such an act of political self-sabotage? From what I understand, this is a state law, and there are 67 counties in Florida, and this is a report from a single county - is every teacher in the state doing this? Or is it just a thing in certain school districts? I suspect the later. I wonder what kind of characteristics would predict which school districts will have large large numbers of teachers reacting to the law in this way and which won’t?

standardUser 4y ago
The fact is that teachers have become a target from the right wing and DeSantis has been leading the charge with his words and actions. After the elaborate migrant flight fiasco, I don't think anyone wants to make big assumptions about what DeSantis won't do to satisfy his increasing bloodthirty base.
- skissane 4y ago
  > The fact is that teachers have become a target from the right wing and DeSantis has been leading the charge with his words and actions. I wonder how many teachers in Florida vote for DeSantis, and still plan to vote for him even after all of this? While no doubt it is true that school teachers in the US (and public school teachers especially) tend to skew Democratic, I’m sure the number of DeSantis-voting public school teachers in Florida would be significantly greater than zero. I wonder if those teachers would agree that “teachers have become a target from the right wing”?
  - standardUser 4y ago
    Any person who can't agree with the phrase “teachers have become a target from the right wing” despite the overwhelming evidence, including countless direct quotes and video clips from elected conservative politicians, should not be allowed anywhere near a classroom because they are not operating in reality.
    - skissane 4y ago
      The phrase is wrong because the target is a certain kind of left-leaning teacher. Not teachers qua teachers. Right-leaning teachers are not being targeted. Teachers who aren’t explicitly “right-leaning”, but who think socially controversial topics are best avoided in the classroom, are not being targeted either. Nor do I think the target includes “contrarian leftist” teachers (the kind of teacher who might admire the African-American Marxist Adolph Reed, who basically says that all these race/sexuality/gender debates have turned into a distraction from the real work of class struggle, and thus serve the interests of the capitalist ruling class)
- agensaequivocum 4y ago
  Teachers brought this upon themselves with the absolute degenerate crap they are indoctrinating kids with.
  - alistairSH 4y ago
    If your referring to CRT or some sort of homosexual brainwashing, I’ve yet to see any evidence either is an actual problem.
test098 4y ago
> You really think Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison Democracies don't function on the basis of a single person saying "trust me, I won't actually use this law that I enacted." And he didn't even give us that claim, you did.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison Governors don't throw people in prison. Prosecutors do. And there are a lot of them. Even if not prosecuted, committing a crime is grounds for termination for cause.
Larrikin 4y ago
Why would they make it a felony if they aren't going to enforce the law. Laws that are arbitrarily enforced is authoritarianism. Everyone in Russia is guilty of a crime under the Putin regime, just don't piss off the dictator. In America, the country as a whole is just now realizing how gross and arbitrarily enforced the war on drugs has been. Especially now that large swathes of the addicted are suburban and rural whites instead of black and brown people.
- richbell 4y ago
  > Why would they make it a felony if they aren't going to enforce the law. Laws that are arbitrarily enforced is authoritarianism. No need to exercise the law if its mere existence is enough to alter people's behavior. ;) https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/897/chilling-effect https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/897/chilling-ef...
jcranmer 4y ago
> You really think Governor DeSantis going to start throwing random teachers in prison, because they had non-controversial but not technically approved books in their classrooms? Yes. > Like him or loathe him, he’s a pretty smart politician, why would he engage in such an act of political self-sabotage? If you can construct a plausible enough lie, the truth doesn't matter to his supporters anyways. See for example the anti-CRT rhetoric--where something as basic as "our founding fathers were individuals with complex, self-contradictory beliefs" is considered racial indoctrination because it doesn't say that the US is the bestest country to have ever existed. Or of course school board hearings involving people screaming over litter boxes. All it takes is for one parent to get angry--and if you're involved with school politics, you'll know that parents getting angry is basically guaranteed--about one book, and that'll be enough for a politician to do something performative. And DeSantis is good at being performative.
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orwin 4y ago
I think those teachers are smart: is it worth the hassle to go through each book? It's not. Better to have nothing the administration can find 'just cause' for termination or whatever. Don't take any risks for people that won't take any for you. More time for them, no 'mum for liberty' asking for a random comic to get banned because they did not hide it fast enough for the child the read the title and complain. I might be too cynical and spent too much time avoiding management, but isn't this the sensible, non confrontational way of adapting to a law you don't care that much about? Teachers don't want to get burned by a new law, choose to avoid exposing themselves to it, nice for them, predictable but nice.