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> If you’re selling a device, you can’t just wipe out the drive and reinstall the operating system. Yeah. Sure. You can’t wipe the drive on an M1 and have the

> If you’re selling a device, you can’t just wipe out the drive and reinstall the operating system. Yeah. Sure. You can’t wipe the drive on an M1 and have the machine still boot. Reinstalling the OS doesn’t erase the data volume. You have to use Erase All Content and Settings. Apple documents the process pretty clearly. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212749 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212749

lelandfe 4y ago
And, even more directly, "What to do before you sell, give away, or trade in your Mac": https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201065 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201065 ...but if you forget to do that stuff, the Mac will indeed be unusable by the purchaser.
- mlyle 4y ago
  The interesting part about all of this to me is that this has been no-win for Apple. When they didn't have measures like this on the iPhone and Mac, they were lambasted by local police and DAs for not doing anything about theft. Now they have it, and it's causing otherwise useful devices to be rendered useless. There's going to have to be a very finely-crafted compromise to be usable, enable reselling when the original owner has forgotten or is unable to do things, and prevents theft. They've made some strides towards this but cases where MDM devices are liquidated but not de-enrolled are still problematic.
  - bakugo 4y ago
    > they were lambasted by local police and DAs for not doing anything about theft. No, they weren't, they just want you to think they were. They're not special vs other computer manufacturers in this context. > and it's causing otherwise useful devices to be rendered useless This is a win for them. They don't want you reselling devices, they want you to throw your old devices in the trash and buy brand new ones.
    - judge2020 4y ago
      https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/state-and-city-officials-to-investigate-anti-theft-practices-of-cellphone-makers-following-summit/ https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/state-and-city-official...
    - mlyle 4y ago
      I still remember the NPR interviews with SF police, district attorneys, etc. It was a massive campaign by New York City, SF, and other officials in the media to say Apple was not doing enough about theft and it was causing petty and violent crime. https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326690/new-york-smartphone-thefts-apple-google-microsoft https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326690/new-york-smartpho...
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    That's not no-win. There's plenty of praise going around when the system works. "win" can't be zero criticism, that's way too high of a bar.
- mihaaly 4y ago
  How about inheriting a device?
  - lelandfe 4y ago
    As in a family member dies? https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208510 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208510

lelandfe 4y ago

And, even more directly, "What to do before you sell, give away, or trade in your Mac": https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201065 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201065 ...but if you forget to do that stuff, the Mac will indeed be unusable by the purchaser.

mlyle 4y ago
The interesting part about all of this to me is that this has been no-win for Apple. When they didn't have measures like this on the iPhone and Mac, they were lambasted by local police and DAs for not doing anything about theft. Now they have it, and it's causing otherwise useful devices to be rendered useless. There's going to have to be a very finely-crafted compromise to be usable, enable reselling when the original owner has forgotten or is unable to do things, and prevents theft. They've made some strides towards this but cases where MDM devices are liquidated but not de-enrolled are still problematic.
- bakugo 4y ago
  > they were lambasted by local police and DAs for not doing anything about theft. No, they weren't, they just want you to think they were. They're not special vs other computer manufacturers in this context. > and it's causing otherwise useful devices to be rendered useless This is a win for them. They don't want you reselling devices, they want you to throw your old devices in the trash and buy brand new ones.
  - judge2020 4y ago
    https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/state-and-city-officials-to-investigate-anti-theft-practices-of-cellphone-makers-following-summit/ https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/state-and-city-official...
  - mlyle 4y ago
    I still remember the NPR interviews with SF police, district attorneys, etc. It was a massive campaign by New York City, SF, and other officials in the media to say Apple was not doing enough about theft and it was causing petty and violent crime. https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326690/new-york-smartphone-thefts-apple-google-microsoft https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326690/new-york-smartpho...
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  That's not no-win. There's plenty of praise going around when the system works. "win" can't be zero criticism, that's way too high of a bar.
mihaaly 4y ago
How about inheriting a device?
- lelandfe 4y ago
  As in a family member dies? https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208510 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208510