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the hilarious thing is how much phd students and other work-a-day members of academia literally could not get their jobs done without sci-hub, the whole system

the hilarious thing is how much phd students and other work-a-day members of academia literally could not get their jobs done without sci-hub, the whole system would just grind to a halt without sci-hub.

endisneigh 4y ago
Science got along fine without sci hub. It’s great but let’s not exaggerate
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- 10000truths 4y ago
  And research got along just fine without Wikipedia. Yet having a comprehensive, easily accessible and free knowledge base is just so damn convenient.
- radus 4y ago
  Yeah, sci-hub is great, but I'm pretty sure academic research would be fine without it... on account of having been a biology PhD student both before and after the advent of sci-hub.
- superkuh 4y ago
  "Science" has institutions to pay for the journal subscriptions. As a random human person my life has changed drastically since the late 2020 India legal case. I used to read a dozen papers a week via sci-hub and now I read maybe a 2-3 and none from the last couple years. So science marches on but without public access to the full text articles all we have to go on are the usually low quality science journalism press releases.
- yesenadam 4y ago
  > Science got along fine without sci hub. Science in the rich countries perhaps, anyway. And if you're at a university.
gonehome 4y ago
Is that true? I thought phd students typically had access to these via the (expensive) agreements universities have. I thought sci-hub was for everyone else?
- oefrha 4y ago
  Lots of researchers outside the first world may actually fall into the everyone else category. Not all institutions are flush with money to sign the extortionate licensing deals. Gp comment is definitely a stretch though.
- jarbus 4y ago
  As someone part of a university, I don’t even bother trying to sign in with my organization, since the probability I have “legal” access to a drm-free pdf of a resource by signing in is lower than if I just try it on sci hub.
- sbaiddn 4y ago
  Sci hub is significantly easier to use than any legitimate university library. Also, university researchers have been sharing their institutes' access to papers for ever. No university subscribes to all journals. 15 years ago it was quick email to your undergrad mate asking if their uni subscribes to a particular journal. I was at a top-10 ranked US eng school and this was the case. 25 years ago it was a call and a fax. Before then a photocopier.
  - asdff 4y ago
    Most university libraries have a proxy bookmarklet. Go to site with paywall > hit bookmarklet > login > no paywall. zotero will even detect this bookmarklet and run it automatically after you've used it the first time for a given site. It even works for stuff like using your university library's access to newspapers like nyt. At this point if you are going to r1 you have access to everything under the sun.
    - elashri 4y ago
      And many others will force you to connect to VPN if you happen to be connected from outside the university network. Which in most cases a requirement of agreements with those publishers.

endisneigh 4y ago

Science got along fine without sci hub. It’s great but let’s not exaggerate

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10000truths 4y ago
And research got along just fine without Wikipedia. Yet having a comprehensive, easily accessible and free knowledge base is just so damn convenient.
radus 4y ago
Yeah, sci-hub is great, but I'm pretty sure academic research would be fine without it... on account of having been a biology PhD student both before and after the advent of sci-hub.
superkuh 4y ago
"Science" has institutions to pay for the journal subscriptions. As a random human person my life has changed drastically since the late 2020 India legal case. I used to read a dozen papers a week via sci-hub and now I read maybe a 2-3 and none from the last couple years. So science marches on but without public access to the full text articles all we have to go on are the usually low quality science journalism press releases.
yesenadam 4y ago
> Science got along fine without sci hub. Science in the rich countries perhaps, anyway. And if you're at a university.

gonehome 4y ago

Is that true? I thought phd students typically had access to these via the (expensive) agreements universities have. I thought sci-hub was for everyone else?

oefrha 4y ago
Lots of researchers outside the first world may actually fall into the everyone else category. Not all institutions are flush with money to sign the extortionate licensing deals. Gp comment is definitely a stretch though.
jarbus 4y ago
As someone part of a university, I don’t even bother trying to sign in with my organization, since the probability I have “legal” access to a drm-free pdf of a resource by signing in is lower than if I just try it on sci hub.
sbaiddn 4y ago
Sci hub is significantly easier to use than any legitimate university library. Also, university researchers have been sharing their institutes' access to papers for ever. No university subscribes to all journals. 15 years ago it was quick email to your undergrad mate asking if their uni subscribes to a particular journal. I was at a top-10 ranked US eng school and this was the case. 25 years ago it was a call and a fax. Before then a photocopier.
- asdff 4y ago
  Most university libraries have a proxy bookmarklet. Go to site with paywall > hit bookmarklet > login > no paywall. zotero will even detect this bookmarklet and run it automatically after you've used it the first time for a given site. It even works for stuff like using your university library's access to newspapers like nyt. At this point if you are going to r1 you have access to everything under the sun.
  - elashri 4y ago
    And many others will force you to connect to VPN if you happen to be connected from outside the university network. Which in most cases a requirement of agreements with those publishers.