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Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds
- riddleronroof 4y agoNo no it’s called “quiet quitting”
- lamontcg 4y agoWhile Jerome Powell and the Federal Reserve wonders where the 3.5 million "missing workers" are in the workforce... (See also the decline in immigration due to Trump's policies, which Biden has never actually reversed)
- unvx-n-banned 4y ago[flagged]
- RyanCavanaugh 4y ago"Am I wrong? If people show up to say I'm wrong, that only proves I'm right!"
- notahacker 4y agoWeird how people started getting these side effects from the "experimental mRNA gene therapy" several months before the vaccination programmes started...
- puffoflogic 4y agoIf you don't have a source for that, you should put it back where it came from.
- paranoidxprod 4y agohttps://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2815 https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2815 5 months before the vaccine came out.
- AndrewUnmuted 4y ago[dead]
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- ortusdux 4y agoShouldn't your sentiment also apply to the parent comment as well?
- digdugdirk 4y agoWhile I do realize I'm wasting time feeding the trolls, here you go. Pretty easy to do a simple google scholar search for "Long Covid" and sort by date. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3489 https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3489
- n42 4y ago“Controversial opinion with no evidence presented in just enough of a noncommittal way to deflect responsibility for its presentation. Watch me get downvoted, that’ll prove me right!” “Widely accepted take” “Your inability to provide evidence proves the original take!” This way of “arguing” has been carefully crafted to prevent any intellectual debate. Not that I think it will help you, here is an article in Nature on long Covid published in December of 2020 before vaccines were widely distributed: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01177-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01177-6
- somewhereoutth 4y agoUnfortunately the conspiracy theories have directly led to 1000s of deaths, so yes flagging and downvoting is warranted.
- unvx-n-banned 4y ago[flagged]
- s5300 4y agoOh no all of the Soylent I chugged over lockdown is making me reply to this comment I guess I should’ve given up (insert linkin park hyperlink here) soy for lent!
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- raptor556 4y agoI've recently realized that I've been unusually tired, daily, and lack the usually high ambition and drive I had prior to January 2020, which is when I caught COVID. I never got the vaccine and I'm curious if my symptoms are related to COVID, or related to being a few years older, or changes to exercise schedules, or a general change in life outlook after the past few years, or even mild depression or something. It may even be completely psychosomatic. I'm considering getting the vaccine just to see if it makes a difference. I'm curious if anyone else is/was in a similar situation.
- wetpaws 4y agoIt's unlikely vaccine will help you at this point, although there've been some anecdotal reports of vaccination reducing symptoms of long covid.
- raptor556 4y agoThe problem is what even is "long covid"? I've had a doctor tell me it doesn't actually exist, and other people tell me it's to blame for basically everything. Has the definition been consolidated now that covid is (seemingly) a little less political?
- wetpaws 4y agoThere are quite a lot of studies that conclude long covid is definitely a thing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8875269/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8875269/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00491-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5...
- ifyoubuildit 4y agoYou'd probably be better off talking to your doctor and having some bloodwork done. It could be as simple as some kind of deficiency. Throwing a random vaccine at it for something that vaccines aren't meant to do is probably ill advised.
- digdugdirk 4y agoThis will be extremely interesting to see play out. Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't a "testable" marker to determine/backup if people are still experiencing Covid symptoms. Insurance companies aren't going to want to play nice for both treatment and disability payouts, but the number of people with the condition is likely too large to sweep under the rug as might normally occur. I have no idea how things will go, but I'm guessing it'll get ugly before it gets better.
- yboris 4y agoIt seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.
- r053bud 4y agoYup! But here in the USA it's all about profits baby!
- qclibre22 4y agoEverybody wants a government handout. Nobody wants to pay the taxes to fund it.
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoThat's a fairly North American Continent point of view I think. Not everyone classifies government spending as a handout. Many countries have some sort of "Labour party" that tends to want to have high taxes, and over time such parties get plenty of votes.
- lokedhs 4y agoIs it? Or is is mainly US? My impression is that Canada is a much more like Europe in this respect, and Mexico doesn't seem aligned with this either?
- newaccount2021 4y ago[dead]
- Zanneth 4y agoA lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the ones who were hospitalized. The fact that there is no diagnostic test that tells you whether you have Long COVID or not leads me to believe that this is yet another hidden manifestation of mental illness. I feel sympathy for people going through this, but it’s wrong to expect the medical industry to come up with any solutions.
- lamontcg 4y ago> The fact that there is no diagnostic test that tells you whether you have Long COVID or not leads me to believe that... ...we don't know everything about the human body and immune system and medicine and still have a lot to learn.
- minsight 4y agoLong Covid has a collection of effects on the body which can be observed using commonly-ordered tests. A dramatically reduced serum cortisol is one.
- Zanneth 4y agoHyperactivity of the amygdala, commonly associated with depression, also causes changes in cortisol levels. [1] [1] https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.15030053 https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsy...
- whatshisface 4y agoNot a lot of people know this, but depression also has a collection of effects on the body. https://lorienpsych.com/2021/06/05/depression/ https://lorienpsych.com/2021/06/05/depression/
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- throw_away_pri 4y agoPersonal anecdote: I'm going through some mental issues as a result of my divorce and I have trouble staying motivated at work. It's incredibly tempting to claim that I'm suffering from long COVID as an excuse instead of a mental health issue. I wonder how many people are just using it as a convenient excuse?
- wonderwonder 4y agoI thought the same thing after reading the article. I wonder if long term disability would pay out? [I have no intention of finding out]
- barbazoo 4y agoThank you for sharing, I hope you feel better soon.
- nostromo 4y agoThe data here is worker's comp claims, so there's a financial incentive at stake.
- anonuser123456 4y ago>convenient excuse I think it’s not so overt or intentional. It’s more of a confabulation effect.
- throw_away_pri 4y agoRight, like another commenter suggests, perhaps I do have long covid and I just don't know it. I'm sure there's a confabulation.
- switch007 4y agoI'd never claim mental health issues at work, personally. Sorry to hear about your divorce! Stay strong
- throw_away_pri 4y ago
- isp 4y agoRelated: "Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations" (207 comments, 12 days ago): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34375735 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34375735
- minsight 4y agoAwesome. We know a lot more about Long Covid than many people seem to think. This is a good summary of where we are.
- nostromo 4y agoCovid is a problem for working-age people when there is a comorbidity - usually obesity. It'd be interesting to see additional data about these worker comp claims about other health issues as we've known that America has an obesity problem for some time.
- peterbell_nyc 4y agoMy understanding is that while the risk of serious illness and death are strongly correlated with age and comorbidities that we're starting to see a meaningful number of cases of long covid in the working age population and it's not clear to me that it is limited to those who are obese.
- joegahona 4y agohttps://archive.is/IBzbF https://archive.is/IBzbF
- kjkjadksj 4y agoApparently Long Flu also happens to a certain number of people. I wonder if these people with long covid would have been just as susceptible to getting these symptoms with the flu or other diseases? Maybe there are relevant biomarkers for both?
- notacoward 4y agoI often point out that what people think of as polio is more accurately Long Polio. The acute phase of polio infection wasn't fun, but the paralysis etc. came much later after apparent recovery. This kind of short and long term duality with viral diseases (see also: shingles) has been known for a long time.
- MrRiddle 4y ago[dead]