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I'd like to think we're more than just machines. We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off b

by martin1975 4y ago

I'd like to think we're more than just machines. We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are.... Seems to me "reproducing" that in AI isn't likely... despite what Kurzweil may say :).

unsupp0rted 4y ago
> We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are Citations needed
- martin1975 4y ago
  are you feeling depressed or suicidal?
  - unsupp0rted 4y ago
    That reply would fit better on Reddit than HN. Here we discuss things with curiosity. If making a claim that humans have ephemeral things like souls and adherence to some kind of objective morality that is beyond our societal programming, then it's fair to ask for the reasoning behind it. Every year machines surprise us by seeming more and more human (err, perhaps not that but "human-capable"). We used to have ephemeral creativity or ephemeral reasoning that made us masters at Drawing, Painting, Music, Chess or GO. No longer. There are still some things we excel at that machines don't. Or some things that it takes all the machines in the world to do in 10,000 years with a nuclear plant's worth of energy that a single human brain does in one second powered by a cucumber's worth of calories. However, this has only ever gone in one direction: machines match more and more of what we do and seem to lack less and less of what we are.
    - martin1975 4y ago
      How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
      - unsupp0rted 4y ago
        I do mind you asking. You can choose to engage with the content of the discussion or choose not to engage with it. "Everybody who disagrees with me is either a child or clinically depressed" isn't what I come to HN for.
        martin1975 4y ago
        Sorry to offend your sensibilities bud. This discussion thread is over.
      - optimalsolver 4y ago
        Can't you just reply to his points?
        martin1975 4y ago
        I could. The next thing he will do is accuse me of solipsism. So I'm gonna stop right here and agree with him.
pixl97 4y ago
>aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are We are not? Just look at any group of people that's bought into a cult and you can see people falling for contradictions left and right. Are they 'higher level' contradictions than what our machines currently fall for, yes, but the same premise applies to both. Unfortunately I believe you are falling into magical thinking here. "Because the human intelligence problem is hard I'm going to offload these difficult issues to address as magic and therefore cannot be solved or reproduced".

unsupp0rted 4y ago

> We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are Citations needed

martin1975 4y ago
are you feeling depressed or suicidal?
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  That reply would fit better on Reddit than HN. Here we discuss things with curiosity. If making a claim that humans have ephemeral things like souls and adherence to some kind of objective morality that is beyond our societal programming, then it's fair to ask for the reasoning behind it. Every year machines surprise us by seeming more and more human (err, perhaps not that but "human-capable"). We used to have ephemeral creativity or ephemeral reasoning that made us masters at Drawing, Painting, Music, Chess or GO. No longer. There are still some things we excel at that machines don't. Or some things that it takes all the machines in the world to do in 10,000 years with a nuclear plant's worth of energy that a single human brain does in one second powered by a cucumber's worth of calories. However, this has only ever gone in one direction: machines match more and more of what we do and seem to lack less and less of what we are.
  - martin1975 4y ago
    How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
    - unsupp0rted 4y ago
      I do mind you asking. You can choose to engage with the content of the discussion or choose not to engage with it. "Everybody who disagrees with me is either a child or clinically depressed" isn't what I come to HN for.
      - martin1975 4y ago
        Sorry to offend your sensibilities bud. This discussion thread is over.
    - optimalsolver 4y ago
      Can't you just reply to his points?
      - martin1975 4y ago
        I could. The next thing he will do is accuse me of solipsism. So I'm gonna stop right here and agree with him.

pixl97 4y ago

>aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are We are not? Just look at any group of people that's bought into a cult and you can see people falling for contradictions left and right. Are they 'higher level' contradictions than what our machines currently fall for, yes, but the same premise applies to both. Unfortunately I believe you are falling into magical thinking here. "Because the human intelligence problem is hard I'm going to offload these difficult issues to address as magic and therefore cannot be solved or reproduced".