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Seems we're approaching limits of what is possible w/AI alone. Personally, I find a hybrid approach - interfacing human intelligence w/AI (e.g. like the Borg in

by martin1975 4y ago

Seems we're approaching limits of what is possible w/AI alone. Personally, I find a hybrid approach - interfacing human intelligence w/AI (e.g. like the Borg in ST:TNG?) to provide the military an edge in ways that adversaries cannot easily/quickly reproduce or defeat. There's a reason we still put humans in cockpits even though commercial airliners can pretty much fly themselves.... Hardware and software (AI or anything else) are tools, IMHO, rather than replacements for human beings....

naasking 4y ago
> Seems we're approaching limits of what is possible w/AI alone. Not even close. We've barely started in fact.
- martin1975 4y ago
  How's that? I don't even see problem free self-driving taxis, and they even passed legislation for those in California. There's hype and then there's reality. I get your optimism though.
  - naasking 4y ago
    They've barely started trying. We'd be reaching the limits of AI if self-driving cars were an easy problem and we couldn't quite solve it after 15 years, but self-driving cars are actually a hard problem. Despite that, we're pretty darn close to solving it. There are problems in math that are centuries old, and no one is going around saying we're "reaching the limits of math" just because hard problems are hard.
pixl97 4y ago
Humans are hardware we are not anything magical. We do have 4 billion years of evolution keeping our asses alive and that has lead to some very optimized wetware for that effect. But somehow thinking that somehow wetwear is always going to be better than hardware is not a bet I'd make over any 'long' period of time.
- martin1975 4y ago
  I'd like to think we're more than just machines. We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are.... Seems to me "reproducing" that in AI isn't likely... despite what Kurzweil may say :).
  - unsupp0rted 4y ago
    > We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are Citations needed
    - martin1975 4y ago
      are you feeling depressed or suicidal?
      - unsupp0rted 4y ago
        That reply would fit better on Reddit than HN. Here we discuss things with curiosity. If making a claim that humans have ephemeral things like souls and adherence to some kind of objective morality that is beyond our societal programming, then it's fair to ask for the reasoning behind it. Every year machines surprise us by seeming more and more human (err, perhaps not that but "human-capable"). We used to have ephemeral creativity or ephemeral reasoning that made us masters at Drawing, Painting, Music, Chess or GO. No longer. There are still some things we excel at that machines don't. Or some things that it takes all the machines in the world to do in 10,000 years with a nuclear plant's worth of energy that a single human brain does in one second powered by a cucumber's worth of calories. However, this has only ever gone in one direction: machines match more and more of what we do and seem to lack less and less of what we are.
        martin1975 4y ago
        How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

naasking 4y ago

> Seems we're approaching limits of what is possible w/AI alone. Not even close. We've barely started in fact.

martin1975 4y ago
How's that? I don't even see problem free self-driving taxis, and they even passed legislation for those in California. There's hype and then there's reality. I get your optimism though.
- naasking 4y ago
  They've barely started trying. We'd be reaching the limits of AI if self-driving cars were an easy problem and we couldn't quite solve it after 15 years, but self-driving cars are actually a hard problem. Despite that, we're pretty darn close to solving it. There are problems in math that are centuries old, and no one is going around saying we're "reaching the limits of math" just because hard problems are hard.

pixl97 4y ago

Humans are hardware we are not anything magical. We do have 4 billion years of evolution keeping our asses alive and that has lead to some very optimized wetware for that effect. But somehow thinking that somehow wetwear is always going to be better than hardware is not a bet I'd make over any 'long' period of time.

martin1975 4y ago
I'd like to think we're more than just machines. We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are.... Seems to me "reproducing" that in AI isn't likely... despite what Kurzweil may say :).
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  > We have souls, understand and live by a hopefully objective set of moral values and duties, aren't thrown off by contradictions the same way computers are Citations needed
  - martin1975 4y ago
    are you feeling depressed or suicidal?
    - unsupp0rted 4y ago
      That reply would fit better on Reddit than HN. Here we discuss things with curiosity. If making a claim that humans have ephemeral things like souls and adherence to some kind of objective morality that is beyond our societal programming, then it's fair to ask for the reasoning behind it. Every year machines surprise us by seeming more and more human (err, perhaps not that but "human-capable"). We used to have ephemeral creativity or ephemeral reasoning that made us masters at Drawing, Painting, Music, Chess or GO. No longer. There are still some things we excel at that machines don't. Or some things that it takes all the machines in the world to do in 10,000 years with a nuclear plant's worth of energy that a single human brain does in one second powered by a cucumber's worth of calories. However, this has only ever gone in one direction: machines match more and more of what we do and seem to lack less and less of what we are.
      - martin1975 4y ago
        How old are you if you don't mind me asking?