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Jan 2024 - Microsoft releases Excel with it's own built-in C# IDE, doesn't credit original developer.

by gadders 4y ago

giancarlostoro 4y ago
They might be likely to offer him a job there honestly. The architect of C# was poached from Borland after all.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Even today, it isn't Embrace, Extend, Employ.
- addandsubtract 4y ago
  How'd that go for the AppGet dev?
  - giancarlostoro 4y ago
    Not familiar with this story.
    - xbar 4y ago
      Nor was I. It's worth a search and read.
  - VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
    I always felt that there was more to that story than what was reported. My understanding is they reached out to him to interview for a PM role to develop an official "AppGet" at Microsoft but, for whatever reason, he didn't get the job. Maybe the interviews didn't go well? Maybe there were some red flags somewhere? Who knows. But it didn't really sound to me like they acted in bad faith.
- gadders 4y ago
  I hope it does work out for the original author and he deserves it but there have been cases before where concepts have been taken from their originator and implemented by the large corporate with no cash or even credit given.
  - xbar 4y ago
    Maybe this was a better initial comment.
    - gadders 4y ago
      Upvotes say not.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  No he wasn't, he left Borland after being disappointed how things were going. He declined several approaches from ex-Borland people working at Microsoft, before reaching that point. https://behindthetech.libsynpro.com/001-anders-hejlsberg-a-craftsman-of-computer-language https://behindthetech.libsynpro.com/001-anders-hejlsberg-a-c...
  - giancarlostoro 4y ago
    Interesting, the story I've heard from various Senior Engineers is that Microsoft poached him by offering him a ton of money. Crazy to think they all repeated a tech urban legend I guess
IshKebab 4y ago
Honestly it's annoying that they haven't already done that. I was surprised a few years ago when I checked and it didn't exist.
inglor 4y ago
Oh boy you don’t know what our culture looks like. It’s more “it’s cool that people are building on top of it and we want to figure out how we can make it easier”
- iforgotpassword 4y ago
  People didn't forget this story: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/21272964/microsoft-winget-windows-package-manager-appget-copied https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/21272964/microsoft-winget...
  - inglor 4y ago
    Oh Microsoft the company is not to be trusted and is not your friend. It’s a huge company with many employees and products. Moreover I can’t attest to any other group’s culture - I can only say what we do in Excel. In Excel working hard to make addons possible and trying to foster an ecosystem of users sharing expertise is a focus as well as community building and smbs. Taking a cool community project and doing it ourselves would shooting our selves in the foot. More than once I didn’t do things or work in features for that reason. Again not because Microsoft is your friend but because it’s in our business interest. I don’t speak for Microsoft or Excel and am just a developer/hacker ;)
    - gompertz 4y ago
      A little off topic but will Typescript support ever come to desktop Excel or is it just going to remain on the web version? Office Scripts are great but bit of a bummer I can only write them for web.
    - pyth0 4y ago
      I got this impression as well. I worked on a team two years back building out a very complex Excel plugin using Excel.js. The SDK has quite a few quirks and we ran into some problems along the way, but the team at Microsoft responsible for it was happy to help and interested in hearing feedback and features we wanted. A positive experience :)
    - 4y ago

Jan 2024 - Microsoft releases Excel with it's own built-in C# IDE, doesn't credit original developer.

giancarlostoro 4y ago

They might be likely to offer him a job there honestly. The architect of C# was poached from Borland after all.

IncRnd 4y ago
Even today, it isn't Embrace, Extend, Employ.
addandsubtract 4y ago
How'd that go for the AppGet dev?
- giancarlostoro 4y ago
  Not familiar with this story.
  - xbar 4y ago
    Nor was I. It's worth a search and read.
- VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
  I always felt that there was more to that story than what was reported. My understanding is they reached out to him to interview for a PM role to develop an official "AppGet" at Microsoft but, for whatever reason, he didn't get the job. Maybe the interviews didn't go well? Maybe there were some red flags somewhere? Who knows. But it didn't really sound to me like they acted in bad faith.
gadders 4y ago
I hope it does work out for the original author and he deserves it but there have been cases before where concepts have been taken from their originator and implemented by the large corporate with no cash or even credit given.
- xbar 4y ago
  Maybe this was a better initial comment.
  - gadders 4y ago
    Upvotes say not.
pjmlp 4y ago
No he wasn't, he left Borland after being disappointed how things were going. He declined several approaches from ex-Borland people working at Microsoft, before reaching that point. https://behindthetech.libsynpro.com/001-anders-hejlsberg-a-craftsman-of-computer-language https://behindthetech.libsynpro.com/001-anders-hejlsberg-a-c...
- giancarlostoro 4y ago
  Interesting, the story I've heard from various Senior Engineers is that Microsoft poached him by offering him a ton of money. Crazy to think they all repeated a tech urban legend I guess

IshKebab 4y ago

Honestly it's annoying that they haven't already done that. I was surprised a few years ago when I checked and it didn't exist.

inglor 4y ago

Oh boy you don’t know what our culture looks like. It’s more “it’s cool that people are building on top of it and we want to figure out how we can make it easier”

iforgotpassword 4y ago
People didn't forget this story: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/21272964/microsoft-winget-windows-package-manager-appget-copied https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/21272964/microsoft-winget...
- inglor 4y ago
  Oh Microsoft the company is not to be trusted and is not your friend. It’s a huge company with many employees and products. Moreover I can’t attest to any other group’s culture - I can only say what we do in Excel. In Excel working hard to make addons possible and trying to foster an ecosystem of users sharing expertise is a focus as well as community building and smbs. Taking a cool community project and doing it ourselves would shooting our selves in the foot. More than once I didn’t do things or work in features for that reason. Again not because Microsoft is your friend but because it’s in our business interest. I don’t speak for Microsoft or Excel and am just a developer/hacker ;)
  - gompertz 4y ago
    A little off topic but will Typescript support ever come to desktop Excel or is it just going to remain on the web version? Office Scripts are great but bit of a bummer I can only write them for web.
  - pyth0 4y ago
    I got this impression as well. I worked on a team two years back building out a very complex Excel plugin using Excel.js. The SDK has quite a few quirks and we ran into some problems along the way, but the team at Microsoft responsible for it was happy to help and interested in hearing feedback and features we wanted. A positive experience :)
  - 4y ago