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I pay Google $6/month/user for email, docs/sheets, video conferencing, and some online space, and I still think I pay too much because many of my users only nee

by ROFISH 4y ago

I pay Google $6/month/user for email, docs/sheets, video conferencing, and some online space, and I still think I pay too much because many of my users only need email for internal messages. $12/month/user for a random side feature is absolutely absurd. I'm against any and all per-user fees because it's death by a thousand cuts and I refuse to allow that to happen. I will take the time to setup an open-source thing that does the same thing, even if the hourly rate of my setup ends up costing like five years of service JUST BECAUSE I'm that against per-user fees.

fragmede 4y ago
Would you rather a base, say $500/month, and then a trivial per-user fee? Say $0.50? Because obviously each user will incur additional resource usage, so you can't really be that against per-user fees when each user literally takes up X more MiB of space. Since you are that against per-users fees though, I'm fascinated to hear why.
- verdverm 4y ago
  How much does it cost to store 1Gb and how many users does that cover? What is the markup?
  - fragmede 4y ago
    On S3? $0.023 per GB. The data is most likely stored between RAM and SSDs these days. Aka on microchips made up of silicon. Which is sand. Which is all of, like, $50 for a literal ton of it. If you want to ask someone what about their mark-up, look at TSMC, their raw material is practically free, and they deign to charge exorbitant amounts of money for melting it in a (very, very) special way. But you're not paying for storage costs, you're paying for the salaries of everyone involved with making the product, as well as the hosting costs, and some amount of profit to do with as they please. Which is fairly pretty central to how capitalism works! My earlier point is that they have enterprise plans, for those that don't want to pay per-user fees, but, uh, they're enterprise priced.
    - kika 4y ago
      You need to check the prices on ASML machines :-) TSMC doesn't do the melting and growing crystals, AFAIR.
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liketochill 4y ago
I self host redmine. I offered plan.io $300/yr on my corporate card but they insisted on $600. Too bad for them.

by ROFISH 4y ago

fragmede 4y ago

Would you rather a base, say $500/month, and then a trivial per-user fee? Say $0.50? Because obviously each user will incur additional resource usage, so you can't really be that against per-user fees when each user literally takes up X more MiB of space. Since you are that against per-users fees though, I'm fascinated to hear why.

verdverm 4y ago
How much does it cost to store 1Gb and how many users does that cover? What is the markup?
- fragmede 4y ago
  On S3? $0.023 per GB. The data is most likely stored between RAM and SSDs these days. Aka on microchips made up of silicon. Which is sand. Which is all of, like, $50 for a literal ton of it. If you want to ask someone what about their mark-up, look at TSMC, their raw material is practically free, and they deign to charge exorbitant amounts of money for melting it in a (very, very) special way. But you're not paying for storage costs, you're paying for the salaries of everyone involved with making the product, as well as the hosting costs, and some amount of profit to do with as they please. Which is fairly pretty central to how capitalism works! My earlier point is that they have enterprise plans, for those that don't want to pay per-user fees, but, uh, they're enterprise priced.
  - kika 4y ago
    You need to check the prices on ASML machines :-) TSMC doesn't do the melting and growing crystals, AFAIR.
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liketochill 4y ago

I self host redmine. I offered plan.io $300/yr on my corporate card but they insisted on $600. Too bad for them.