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If you live in America you're an asshole if you do this. Tipping is the well-established cultural way for servers to make income. It is -not- something reserved
by chottocharaii 4y ago
If you live in America you're an asshole if you do this. Tipping is the well-established cultural way for servers to make income. It is -not- something reserved for situations where good service is to be incentivized. Maybe in other countries ... but not the United States.
- Quarrelsome 4y ago> Tipping is the well-established cultural way for servers to make income. One could also argue that its a means for companies to intentionally under-pay their staff while also re-directing any anger at being exploited from the company to the consumer. Perfect divide and conquer tactics that has somehow become culturally engrained to the point that if anyone refuses to be part of this macabre tragedy they are framed the villain.
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- berniedurfee 4y agoEither way, sticking it to the man by denying waitstaff a tip is a poor method to fix an inequity. Just tip, so your server can get closer to a living wage for their hard work.
- Quarrelsome 4y agoI don't live in that place so the advice isn't important. Also I think its fair to argue that joining this macabre dance is also a poor method to fix an inequity. If its true what others say tips are deducted so their employers pay below minimum wage then why not pay the server outside of the transaction so the employer is forced to do what they should have been doing in the first place?
- berniedurfee 4y agoI always tip cash when possible.
- ADuckOnQuack 4y agoDo you tip the janitors of each place you frequent? What makes wait staff any more deserving of a living wage than other occupations? Realistically tipping is just a subsidy for corporations who choose to take more profit instead of pay a living wage to their workers.
- berniedurfee 4y agoWait staff in many states make below minimum wage, with tips expected to make up the rest. So I always tip wait staff and will still tip when theses laws change. I also try to tip everyone I can when I have the means. Yes, I’d tip janitors, their job sucks, as do most jobs where you have to deal with the general public, and they’re underpaid.
- ADuckOnQuack 4y agoThe "expectation" of tips making up the rest is really just an expectation from the business that you will needlessly subsidize their payroll, in all 50 states the employer is mandated to always pay the minimum wage even if zero tips are earned https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips I say tipping is unnecessary because there exist a few states like California who ban the practice of paying a lower "cash wage" and allowing businesses to keep tips for themselves. Anecdotally, I notice that typical restaurant bills in California are not any more expensive than nearby states like Nevada, Colorado, or Arizona.
- berniedurfee 4y agoI say tipping is necessary, for me, because it helps people out.
- flandish 4y agoTruthfully, while it IS well established, this is only because the class of “owners” have beaten it into us (workers/consumers) and it is a great example of capitalism gaslighting more exploitation.
- jaredhallen 4y agoIs it capitalism? That doesn't sound like it's specifically the result of the free market at work. I don't love the situation, but it seems like it's kind of a nuanced history that started with extra incentive for exceptional service, which changed over time. Why? I don't know. But ultimately we (in the US) know that we should be expecting to pay ~20% on top of our bill, and take that into consideration when we're making the decision to eat at a table service establishment.
- thayne 4y agoCapitalism doesn't necessarily mean a free market. It just means that capital is controlled by private entities as opposed to the state.
- AlgorithmicTime 4y agoCapitalism is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a free market.
- flandish 4y agoPart of the exploitation process, imho inherent to capitalism, involved a migration from your “tip to good service” to “opportunity to save” (money) by the owners. I am, admittedly, a leftist and incredibly untrusting of anything where workers are not an equal part of the ownership in a business, so I know I jump too conclusion/assumption quicker than I prob should. But, I think there is no doubt that there is a lot of FUD around what would happen if staff were paid a living wage, all meant to distract to keep profit in pockets of the owner. (Anecdotally, I don’t remember tipping being the norm when I visited Europe. But it was some time ago.)
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoWhat I don’t get is tipping for take out. Like, no server was involved, just someone handing you a box at the restaurant, and you are still expected to tip 20% (Or is it 25% now?).
- OkGoDoIt 4y agoDoes anyone actually expect you to tip for takeout? I kind of assume the point-of-sale system including tip options on there is just because the system doesn’t have an easy way to disable it for takeout orders.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoThe ordering is done online.
- bradwood 4y agoIf you live in non-America this is a perfectly reasonable position.
- ExoticPearTree 4y agoSo what you're saying is that we should tip no matter what?
- berniedurfee 4y agoYes
- taneq 4y agoI think they’re saying that in America a tip is not a voluntary extra payment in gratitude for exceptionally good service. It’s a consultant free for hiring an independent subcontractor.
- yencabulator 4y agoI'm sorry, I didn't hire an independent subcontractor, I bought goods from a national chain with very rich investors and executives.