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I got the opposite experience. I have IBD and recently started on some potent probiotics. Suddenly my energy and focus went up 1000%. So this is how regular peo

I got the opposite experience. I have IBD and recently started on some potent probiotics. Suddenly my energy and focus went up 1000%. So this is how regular people healthy live wow. I used to be lethargic all the time for 30+ years.

graeme 4y ago
Which one was it? I’ve heard about Vsl-3 as being medical grade
- popotamonga 4y ago
  That one exactly. Expensive as crap and hard to find in my country but it's priceless.
  - d23 4y ago
    What's up with this? https://vsl3.com/assets/v1/patient/files/FactSheetVSL3Jun2021.pdf https://vsl3.com/assets/v1/patient/files/FactSheetVSL3Jun202... Just went to their site and it sketched me out a bit to read this.
    - jassyr 4y ago
      As far as I can tell it's a business/patent dispute. https://www.visbiome.com/blogs/visbiome-vs-vsl-3/exegi-wins-court-ruling-against-vsl-3-permanent-injunction-blocks-false-advertising-to-doctors-consumers https://www.visbiome.com/blogs/visbiome-vs-vsl-3/exegi-wins-...
    - manav 4y ago
      It is a patent dispute, from what I can recall visbiome is the one with the legitimate claim and original inventor.
  - graeme 4y ago
    Edit: Do you take the one I linked, or this prescription grade extra strength? https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-extra-strength-high-potency-probiotic https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-e... ($6.2/day without insurance coverage) ----- Thanks! For anyone in Canada or USA wondering, I just searched and apparently you can buy it online now. About $2 a day: https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-capsules-2-pack https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-c... I had looked years ago and found it hard to get. Going to check with my doctor, might be something prescribable, which would either make it covered by insurance or at the least a tax deductible health expense. Here's the Canadian link: https://www.visbiome.ca/collections/all https://www.visbiome.ca/collections/all
    - tharkun__ 4y ago
      I'm sorry, but a probiotic that only lists the ingredients as "lactic acid bacteria"? For all you know this could be the equivalent of buying some Danone Activia. It also has "lactic acid bacteria". I want at least the name of each of the bacteria. Even better would be exact substrains. But if it doesn't tell me whether the main ingredient is a strain that produces histamine (bad for me personally - lots of headaches) or doesn't, this is not going into me.
      - graeme 4y ago
        I don’t know if this answers what you were trying to find, but the probiotic in question is pretty heavily studied….there are even many papers discussing histamine levels I haven’t had it and can’t vouch for it but it’s not exactly some random probiotic. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=vsl+3&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=vsl+...
        tharkun__ 4y ago
        Nothing against you but, labels, labels, labels. What's so hard about it? In case anyone is interested, link #3 finally has a list of what's allegedly in there without having to pay to read the 'study': Four strains of Lactobacillus (Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactobacillus casei, and Lactobacillus delbrueckii subspecies bulgaricus), three strains of Bifidobacterium (Bifidobacterium breve, Bifidobacterium longum, and Bifidobacterium infantis), and one strain of Streptococcus (Streptococcus salivarius subspecies thermophilus). Why don't they just print it on the thing? What I take does print it on the label and that is why I bought it, because it says exactly what is in there instead of trying to hide it. Mine's got: Sachharomyces Boulardii, Lactobacillus plantarum, Bacillus Subtilis, Lactobacillus lactis, Bifidobacterium bifidum, Lactorbacillus rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium breve, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus salivarius, Lactobacillus acidophilos, Bifidobacterium brevis, Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus paracasei In that order, i.e. amounts. Is that so hard to print on there? I specifically got that one because I have issues with certain strains. So anything that doesn't have it right on the package? Sorry but you're out. I'm not gonna go try and find studies. Just frickin' write it on there. I tried Actimel and Activia and such and it gives me headaches due to the specific strains that are in there and in concentration vs. the above mix, which has literally cured me and I can eat whatever I want again without getting headaches. Except if I drink Actimel or eat Activia. That brings it out of balance and I suffer the consequences a couple days later. I'm sure there's a study I can pay for that tells me what's in those, because they don't print it on the package either...
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user1029384756 4y ago
Putting this out there in case it may help others: My mother suffered from GERD for years and years and about two years ago, her condition seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. We’re talking waking up in the middle of the night projectile vomiting. Constant heartburn, burping and indigestion after meals and daily constipation. The doctors were completely unable to help except to recommend antacids and possibly PPI medication which can have serious side-effects. I put her on a prebiotic + probiotic diet (kaffir, yogurt, whole grains, dark leafy greens, etc) along with a basic probiotic supplement every night and now according to her, at least 95% of the symptoms have gone away. She’s able to sleep through the night now, better mood, better energy, better everything. Not saying it will work for everyone, but it worked for her. I feel like so little is understood about the gut microbiome and modern medicine is letting people suffer needlessly. Edit: just realized this sounds exactly like a paid infomercial lol
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  What are the side-effects for PPIs? I've been taking them for almost 2 decades for GERD without anything too specific coming up. I check my B12 levels from time to time and they seem ok. My hemoglobin is always a bit low and iron supplements don't seem to help. What other things are common with long-term PPI use?
  - lg 4y ago
    Lowering stomach acid can throttle calcium absorption so is linked to osteoporosis but i don’t know how common that is in practice.
    - piyh 4y ago
      Can also lower iron absorption
  - kryz 4y ago
    Higher concentrations of oral bacteria detected in the gut of people who use PPIs. That can’t be a good thing…
moneywoes 4y ago
What probiotics?
- popotamonga 4y ago
  vsl3. i tried some others before (all given by doctor) and had massive diarrhea. i guess each person is different.
Tade0 4y ago
Recently, for the first time in my life, I took probiotics after a course of prescribed antibiotics. I don't need coffee any more to function and I finally feel full after eating - strongly so even. If it's really the probiotics, then I regret never taking them before - especially after antibiotics.
shinryuu 4y ago
What was the probiotic you used?

graeme 4y ago

Which one was it? I’ve heard about Vsl-3 as being medical grade

popotamonga 4y ago
That one exactly. Expensive as crap and hard to find in my country but it's priceless.
- d23 4y ago
  What's up with this? https://vsl3.com/assets/v1/patient/files/FactSheetVSL3Jun2021.pdf https://vsl3.com/assets/v1/patient/files/FactSheetVSL3Jun202... Just went to their site and it sketched me out a bit to read this.
  - jassyr 4y ago
    As far as I can tell it's a business/patent dispute. https://www.visbiome.com/blogs/visbiome-vs-vsl-3/exegi-wins-court-ruling-against-vsl-3-permanent-injunction-blocks-false-advertising-to-doctors-consumers https://www.visbiome.com/blogs/visbiome-vs-vsl-3/exegi-wins-...
  - manav 4y ago
    It is a patent dispute, from what I can recall visbiome is the one with the legitimate claim and original inventor.
- graeme 4y ago
  Edit: Do you take the one I linked, or this prescription grade extra strength? https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-extra-strength-high-potency-probiotic https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-e... ($6.2/day without insurance coverage) ----- Thanks! For anyone in Canada or USA wondering, I just searched and apparently you can buy it online now. About $2 a day: https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-capsules-2-pack https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-c... I had looked years ago and found it hard to get. Going to check with my doctor, might be something prescribable, which would either make it covered by insurance or at the least a tax deductible health expense. Here's the Canadian link: https://www.visbiome.ca/collections/all https://www.visbiome.ca/collections/all
  - tharkun__ 4y ago
    I'm sorry, but a probiotic that only lists the ingredients as "lactic acid bacteria"? For all you know this could be the equivalent of buying some Danone Activia. It also has "lactic acid bacteria". I want at least the name of each of the bacteria. Even better would be exact substrains. But if it doesn't tell me whether the main ingredient is a strain that produces histamine (bad for me personally - lots of headaches) or doesn't, this is not going into me.
    - graeme 4y ago
      I don’t know if this answers what you were trying to find, but the probiotic in question is pretty heavily studied….there are even many papers discussing histamine levels I haven’t had it and can’t vouch for it but it’s not exactly some random probiotic. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=vsl+3&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=vsl+...
      - tharkun__ 4y ago
        Nothing against you but, labels, labels, labels. What's so hard about it? In case anyone is interested, link #3 finally has a list of what's allegedly in there without having to pay to read the 'study': Four strains of Lactobacillus (Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactobacillus casei, and Lactobacillus delbrueckii subspecies bulgaricus), three strains of Bifidobacterium (Bifidobacterium breve, Bifidobacterium longum, and Bifidobacterium infantis), and one strain of Streptococcus (Streptococcus salivarius subspecies thermophilus). Why don't they just print it on the thing? What I take does print it on the label and that is why I bought it, because it says exactly what is in there instead of trying to hide it. Mine's got: Sachharomyces Boulardii, Lactobacillus plantarum, Bacillus Subtilis, Lactobacillus lactis, Bifidobacterium bifidum, Lactorbacillus rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium breve, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus salivarius, Lactobacillus acidophilos, Bifidobacterium brevis, Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus paracasei In that order, i.e. amounts. Is that so hard to print on there? I specifically got that one because I have issues with certain strains. So anything that doesn't have it right on the package? Sorry but you're out. I'm not gonna go try and find studies. Just frickin' write it on there. I tried Actimel and Activia and such and it gives me headaches due to the specific strains that are in there and in concentration vs. the above mix, which has literally cured me and I can eat whatever I want again without getting headaches. Except if I drink Actimel or eat Activia. That brings it out of balance and I suffer the consequences a couple days later. I'm sure there's a study I can pay for that tells me what's in those, because they don't print it on the package either...

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user1029384756 4y ago

Putting this out there in case it may help others: My mother suffered from GERD for years and years and about two years ago, her condition seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. We’re talking waking up in the middle of the night projectile vomiting. Constant heartburn, burping and indigestion after meals and daily constipation. The doctors were completely unable to help except to recommend antacids and possibly PPI medication which can have serious side-effects. I put her on a prebiotic + probiotic diet (kaffir, yogurt, whole grains, dark leafy greens, etc) along with a basic probiotic supplement every night and now according to her, at least 95% of the symptoms have gone away. She’s able to sleep through the night now, better mood, better energy, better everything. Not saying it will work for everyone, but it worked for her. I feel like so little is understood about the gut microbiome and modern medicine is letting people suffer needlessly. Edit: just realized this sounds exactly like a paid infomercial lol

unsupp0rted 4y ago
What are the side-effects for PPIs? I've been taking them for almost 2 decades for GERD without anything too specific coming up. I check my B12 levels from time to time and they seem ok. My hemoglobin is always a bit low and iron supplements don't seem to help. What other things are common with long-term PPI use?
- lg 4y ago
  Lowering stomach acid can throttle calcium absorption so is linked to osteoporosis but i don’t know how common that is in practice.
  - piyh 4y ago
    Can also lower iron absorption
- kryz 4y ago
  Higher concentrations of oral bacteria detected in the gut of people who use PPIs. That can’t be a good thing…

moneywoes 4y ago

What probiotics?

popotamonga 4y ago
vsl3. i tried some others before (all given by doctor) and had massive diarrhea. i guess each person is different.

Tade0 4y ago

Recently, for the first time in my life, I took probiotics after a course of prescribed antibiotics. I don't need coffee any more to function and I finally feel full after eating - strongly so even. If it's really the probiotics, then I regret never taking them before - especially after antibiotics.

shinryuu 4y ago

What was the probiotic you used?