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Unfortunately, the EU country I live in does not allow them. And that is unfortunate, because whenever I visit another EU country I find them very useful.

by LeonM 4y ago

alistairSH 4y ago
I doubt many people would argue against their usefulness. The problem is management of the scooters when not in use. Even out in the suburbs, the local sidewalks have them discarded haphazardly. Not in a charging stand, not in a group, just ad hoc lying across the sidewalk. The bike share has dedicated stands for groups of 10-20 bikes - this makes far more sense to me than users just dropping them in the sidewalk or street when they're done riding. If you're an older pedestrian, or otherwise mobility challenged (but able to walk), they're a nightmare.
- ericpauley 4y ago
  This feels like largely an issue of societal norms. People leave their cars sitting all over the place and nobody complains. For sure there are places they shouldn’t be left, like right in the middle of the sidewalk. But maybe the expectation of every scooter being in a dock is too extreme.
  - alistairSH 4y ago
    People don't generally park their cars in yards, across sidewalks, or in the woods. All places I've come across electric push scooters. Sure, cars are ubiquitous, but people mostly park them in designated parking spaces (also ubiquitous) or risk a parking ticket, boot, or tow. DC adopted a parking zone strategy for the scooters. Haven't been downtown in a while, but imagine that could work without dedicated docks.
  - DangitBobby 4y ago
    IDK, it's pretty much a social norm to put away your shopping cart, and yet... People are selfish and will do anti social shit for convenience if they can get away with it. Cars only go where they belong because the state can and will punish you with towing or fines, making the reward of being selfish and anti social not worth the risk.
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  It's moot to me because I find the 0.0001% of space around me taken up by electric scooters vs the 99.9999% of space around me taken up by cars to be more egregious.

Unfortunately, the EU country I live in does not allow them. And that is unfortunate, because whenever I visit another EU country I find them very useful.

by LeonM 4y ago

Unfortunately, the EU country I live in does not allow them. And that is unfortunate, because whenever I visit another EU country I find them very useful.

alistairSH 4y ago

I doubt many people would argue against their usefulness. The problem is management of the scooters when not in use. Even out in the suburbs, the local sidewalks have them discarded haphazardly. Not in a charging stand, not in a group, just ad hoc lying across the sidewalk. The bike share has dedicated stands for groups of 10-20 bikes - this makes far more sense to me than users just dropping them in the sidewalk or street when they're done riding. If you're an older pedestrian, or otherwise mobility challenged (but able to walk), they're a nightmare.

ericpauley 4y ago
This feels like largely an issue of societal norms. People leave their cars sitting all over the place and nobody complains. For sure there are places they shouldn’t be left, like right in the middle of the sidewalk. But maybe the expectation of every scooter being in a dock is too extreme.
- alistairSH 4y ago
  People don't generally park their cars in yards, across sidewalks, or in the woods. All places I've come across electric push scooters. Sure, cars are ubiquitous, but people mostly park them in designated parking spaces (also ubiquitous) or risk a parking ticket, boot, or tow. DC adopted a parking zone strategy for the scooters. Haven't been downtown in a while, but imagine that could work without dedicated docks.
- DangitBobby 4y ago
  IDK, it's pretty much a social norm to put away your shopping cart, and yet... People are selfish and will do anti social shit for convenience if they can get away with it. Cars only go where they belong because the state can and will punish you with towing or fines, making the reward of being selfish and anti social not worth the risk.
unsupp0rted 4y ago
It's moot to me because I find the 0.0001% of space around me taken up by electric scooters vs the 99.9999% of space around me taken up by cars to be more egregious.