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That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. While I am no fan of the amount of tracking going on, I'd say this is pret

by bmitc 4y ago

That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. While I am no fan of the amount of tracking going on, I'd say this is pretty far down the list. You're still tracked when you pull out cash. Credit cards have quite a bit of protection on them.

inetknght 4y ago
> Credit cards have quite a bit of protection on them. "Quite a bit" is not the same as "to my satisfaction when traveling"
- kelnos 4y ago
  "Quite a bit" is a lot better than "it's gone forever without any recourse", which is the "protection level" of cash.
  - inetknght 4y ago
    It's even worse: I've spent time on the phone with banks trying to get my money back without any effect. I wouldn't have spent that time if I'd spent cash in the first place. "It's gone forever without any recourse" certainly isn't exclusive to cash. And it can be expensive to even try.
freejazz 4y ago
>That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. Taking cash? It's illegal in NYC not to... Not sure how fringe that is.
- kelnos 4y ago
  It's not illegal because of tracking worries, it's illegal because cashless businesses discriminate against the large population of under- and un-banked people who live in NYC.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    And?
calderknight 4y ago
Is it really a major burden to accept cash? Am I really tracked when I pay in cash? Should this really be far down the list of privacy concerns? My debit cards record every single transaction I make with them. Anybody motivated enough could find out exactly where, when, and what I buy. Seems like a pretty major privacy concern.
- cbo100 4y ago
  > Is it really a major burden to accept cash? It means somebody has to go to the bank each day to drop off the cash and collect change. So it's inconvenient, and an unnecessary security risk to whichever staff member is required to do that. Compared to not accepting cash and not having to deal with any of that, then yes it's a major burden.
  - inetknght 4y ago
    > It means somebody has to go to the bank each day to drop off the cash and collect change. So... just like the past few hundreds years then. > So it's inconvenient So is taking out the trash. But are you going to complain about the janitor who gets paid to do it? > and an unnecessary security risk to whichever staff member is required to do that. Is it really so unnecessary? Moreover, is dealing with money ever not considered a security risk? > Compared to not accepting cash and not having to deal with any of that, then yes it's a major burden. Even not accepting cash is a security risk. Do you deal with your computer infrastructure? Card skimmers? What about cameras that take pictures of card information while being slid across the scanner? How do you deal with the security audits of the backend software? What about the background checks of the people who wrote the backend software? You're falsely painting a rose garden. It's just a different garden, that's all.
    - Nursie 4y ago
      > So is taking out the trash. But are you going to complain about the janitor who gets paid to do it? If you have the option not to, wouldn't you opt out? > Even not accepting cash is a security risk. Do you deal with your computer infrastructure? Card skimmers? Those are risks of accepting cards, not risks of "not accepting cash"
tomcam 4y ago
> You're still tracked when you pull out cash. How?

by bmitc 4y ago

inetknght 4y ago

> Credit cards have quite a bit of protection on them. "Quite a bit" is not the same as "to my satisfaction when traveling"

kelnos 4y ago
"Quite a bit" is a lot better than "it's gone forever without any recourse", which is the "protection level" of cash.
- inetknght 4y ago
  It's even worse: I've spent time on the phone with banks trying to get my money back without any effect. I wouldn't have spent that time if I'd spent cash in the first place. "It's gone forever without any recourse" certainly isn't exclusive to cash. And it can be expensive to even try.

freejazz 4y ago

>That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. Taking cash? It's illegal in NYC not to... Not sure how fringe that is.

kelnos 4y ago
It's not illegal because of tracking worries, it's illegal because cashless businesses discriminate against the large population of under- and un-banked people who live in NYC.
- freejazz 4y ago
  And?

calderknight 4y ago

Is it really a major burden to accept cash? Am I really tracked when I pay in cash? Should this really be far down the list of privacy concerns? My debit cards record every single transaction I make with them. Anybody motivated enough could find out exactly where, when, and what I buy. Seems like a pretty major privacy concern.

cbo100 4y ago
> Is it really a major burden to accept cash? It means somebody has to go to the bank each day to drop off the cash and collect change. So it's inconvenient, and an unnecessary security risk to whichever staff member is required to do that. Compared to not accepting cash and not having to deal with any of that, then yes it's a major burden.
- inetknght 4y ago
  > It means somebody has to go to the bank each day to drop off the cash and collect change. So... just like the past few hundreds years then. > So it's inconvenient So is taking out the trash. But are you going to complain about the janitor who gets paid to do it? > and an unnecessary security risk to whichever staff member is required to do that. Is it really so unnecessary? Moreover, is dealing with money ever not considered a security risk? > Compared to not accepting cash and not having to deal with any of that, then yes it's a major burden. Even not accepting cash is a security risk. Do you deal with your computer infrastructure? Card skimmers? What about cameras that take pictures of card information while being slid across the scanner? How do you deal with the security audits of the backend software? What about the background checks of the people who wrote the backend software? You're falsely painting a rose garden. It's just a different garden, that's all.
  - Nursie 4y ago
    > So is taking out the trash. But are you going to complain about the janitor who gets paid to do it? If you have the option not to, wouldn't you opt out? > Even not accepting cash is a security risk. Do you deal with your computer infrastructure? Card skimmers? Those are risks of accepting cards, not risks of "not accepting cash"

tomcam 4y ago

> You're still tracked when you pull out cash. How?