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It's hard to imagine flying passengers as being a "startup", but it really only dates from around the 60s. Today I know of people who can't fly at all (because

It's hard to imagine flying passengers as being a "startup", but it really only dates from around the 60s. Today I know of people who can't fly at all (because they can't stop smoking long enough.) even short flights of a couple hours are out of reach. (I was once on a 2 hour flight that took 6 hours for reasons, and some of the passengers fairly sprinted in the destination airport to get to a smoking area at 1am) So banning smoking when air travel was in its infancy would have killed it.

htag 4y ago
I have heard of people using nicotine gum, patch, or lozenge for situations like this.
- noduerme 4y ago
  You can vape up your sleeve on a plane, but snus is the best way.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Snus isn't actually legal in a lot of places. As in - it's legal to have, but you can't buy it anywhere(most of EU and UK I believe).
    - noduerme 4y ago
      it's quite a shame, because it's much cleaner and less dangerous than other ways of taking up nicotine.
      - kzrdude 4y ago
        I agree, but also know what a Swedish school looks like, with such pouches stuck in various places, ceiling etc.
        dageshi 4y ago
        My uk school had chewing gum in those places rather than nic pouches. The nic pouches are probably a LOT easier to cleanup than chewing gum.
      - kadoban 4y ago
        Pretty much only better than actually smoking, right?
    - swores 4y ago
      You can definitely buy pouches of tobacco to be used like snus in the UK (and I'm almost certain that was the case before Brexit, too). Unless "snus" has some specific definition that's illegal and the UK sells an alternative? Not sure, last time I tried snus was in Finland over a decade ago.
      - gambiting 4y ago
        Actual snus(powdered tabbaco sold and advertised as a product you put up your nose) isn't legal for sale in the UK: https://www.buynicotinepouches.co.uk/blogs/news/buying-snus-in-the-uk https://www.buynicotinepouches.co.uk/blogs/news/buying-snus-...
        mathieuh 4y ago
        How is snus different from snuff? Cursory google seems to suggest you can buy snuff in the UK, which is also powdered tobacco that you put up your nose
        gambiting 4y ago
        Uhm, frankly I'm not sure. Quick Google reveals a few differences but I'm not sure why one is banned while the other one isn't.
        mathieuh 4y ago
        Snuff is probably culturally significant. Despite never knowing anyone who takes snuff you still read about snuff and snuff boxes. In fact I seem to recall that some people still call the webbing between your thumb and index finger the "snuff box" because that's where people would put the snuff before insufflating it.
        swores 4y ago
        I would imagine snuff boxes / accessories now days are bought more by people who snort illegal drugs than tobacco and the name remains as a PR thing (shops, even head shops with weed art in the window, don't want to advertise things like "cocaine snorter"). But I've no idea how many people still exist that use actual snuff.
  - vwcx 4y ago
    In the US, the major airlines prohibit use of e-cigarettes onboard. Do not vape on a commercial airliner.
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      You still can get away with it fairly easy. I quit this last year but when on flights I often would go into the bathroom and just hold the vape until it was gone. Then again I wasn’t one of those that blew room filling clouds
      - fknorangesite 4y ago
        Imagine risking a federal offense for a fuckin' vape.
masklinn 4y ago
> It's hard to imagine flying passengers as being a "startup", but it really only dates from around the 60s. It’s more than 30 years older. The first commercial airline opened around the start of WW1, and most major airlines (western at least) were founded in the 20s. The 60s is the effective start of the jet age.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  I don't disagree but prior to ww2's investment into R&D, infrastructure and labor force the economics of the industry were fundamentally different. The 1950s and early 1960s were to airlines what the 1990s were for computing.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    I also wonder how much WW2 forcing people into planes helped to kill some of the fear of it.
    - jjfoooo6 4y ago
      I doubt flying in planes doing WW2 decreased fear of flying
      - edgyquant 4y ago
        The fear you speak of doesn’t come from the flying bit. It definitely let people know the flying tech is fairly safe.
  - sidewndr46 4y ago
    Go read about Pan Am in the 1920s and 1930s & you will think differently. They were busy building global transportation routes with whatever technology they could get their hands on.
    - Stratoscope 4y ago
      There's a really good docudrama on Amazon, Across the Pacific, that covers the early days of Pan Am: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0888MFZR2/ https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0888MFZR2/ (Using a smile link while I still can... Change it to www if it doesn't work in the future.)
LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
Can't they get their 'fix' by applying a nicotine patch to their neck, or something?
- Ancapistani 4y ago
  I'm actually not aware of any studies that separate nasal and oral snuff usage that show that nasal snuff is correlated with cancers. I mean... intuitively, it seems like it should be, as the membranes there aren't substantially different - but it's odd that it's not been studied in particular.
wkat4242 4y ago
When air travel was in its infancy, banning smoking was just not something anyone would have even thought about. It was everywhere.

htag 4y ago

I have heard of people using nicotine gum, patch, or lozenge for situations like this.

noduerme 4y ago
You can vape up your sleeve on a plane, but snus is the best way.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Snus isn't actually legal in a lot of places. As in - it's legal to have, but you can't buy it anywhere(most of EU and UK I believe).
  - noduerme 4y ago
    it's quite a shame, because it's much cleaner and less dangerous than other ways of taking up nicotine.
    - kzrdude 4y ago
      I agree, but also know what a Swedish school looks like, with such pouches stuck in various places, ceiling etc.
      - dageshi 4y ago
        My uk school had chewing gum in those places rather than nic pouches. The nic pouches are probably a LOT easier to cleanup than chewing gum.
    - kadoban 4y ago
      Pretty much only better than actually smoking, right?
  - swores 4y ago
    You can definitely buy pouches of tobacco to be used like snus in the UK (and I'm almost certain that was the case before Brexit, too). Unless "snus" has some specific definition that's illegal and the UK sells an alternative? Not sure, last time I tried snus was in Finland over a decade ago.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Actual snus(powdered tabbaco sold and advertised as a product you put up your nose) isn't legal for sale in the UK: https://www.buynicotinepouches.co.uk/blogs/news/buying-snus-in-the-uk https://www.buynicotinepouches.co.uk/blogs/news/buying-snus-...
      - mathieuh 4y ago
        How is snus different from snuff? Cursory google seems to suggest you can buy snuff in the UK, which is also powdered tobacco that you put up your nose
        gambiting 4y ago
        Uhm, frankly I'm not sure. Quick Google reveals a few differences but I'm not sure why one is banned while the other one isn't.
        mathieuh 4y ago
        Snuff is probably culturally significant. Despite never knowing anyone who takes snuff you still read about snuff and snuff boxes. In fact I seem to recall that some people still call the webbing between your thumb and index finger the "snuff box" because that's where people would put the snuff before insufflating it.
        swores 4y ago
        I would imagine snuff boxes / accessories now days are bought more by people who snort illegal drugs than tobacco and the name remains as a PR thing (shops, even head shops with weed art in the window, don't want to advertise things like "cocaine snorter"). But I've no idea how many people still exist that use actual snuff.
- vwcx 4y ago
  In the US, the major airlines prohibit use of e-cigarettes onboard. Do not vape on a commercial airliner.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    You still can get away with it fairly easy. I quit this last year but when on flights I often would go into the bathroom and just hold the vape until it was gone. Then again I wasn’t one of those that blew room filling clouds
    - fknorangesite 4y ago
      Imagine risking a federal offense for a fuckin' vape.

masklinn 4y ago

> It's hard to imagine flying passengers as being a "startup", but it really only dates from around the 60s. It’s more than 30 years older. The first commercial airline opened around the start of WW1, and most major airlines (western at least) were founded in the 20s. The 60s is the effective start of the jet age.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
I don't disagree but prior to ww2's investment into R&D, infrastructure and labor force the economics of the industry were fundamentally different. The 1950s and early 1960s were to airlines what the 1990s were for computing.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  I also wonder how much WW2 forcing people into planes helped to kill some of the fear of it.
  - jjfoooo6 4y ago
    I doubt flying in planes doing WW2 decreased fear of flying
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      The fear you speak of doesn’t come from the flying bit. It definitely let people know the flying tech is fairly safe.
- sidewndr46 4y ago
  Go read about Pan Am in the 1920s and 1930s & you will think differently. They were busy building global transportation routes with whatever technology they could get their hands on.
  - Stratoscope 4y ago
    There's a really good docudrama on Amazon, Across the Pacific, that covers the early days of Pan Am: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0888MFZR2/ https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0888MFZR2/ (Using a smile link while I still can... Change it to www if it doesn't work in the future.)

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago

Can't they get their 'fix' by applying a nicotine patch to their neck, or something?

Ancapistani 4y ago
I'm actually not aware of any studies that separate nasal and oral snuff usage that show that nasal snuff is correlated with cancers. I mean... intuitively, it seems like it should be, as the membranes there aren't substantially different - but it's odd that it's not been studied in particular.

wkat4242 4y ago

When air travel was in its infancy, banning smoking was just not something anyone would have even thought about. It was everywhere.