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What if each user gets a fixed number of vote points per month? You can vote as many times you like but the more you vote the less each vote weight. This can b

What if each user gets a fixed number of vote points per month? You can vote as many times you like but the more you vote the less each vote weight. This can be an example of how social media incentive structure can be iterated on. The main problem is that social media gets very few iterations on the fundamental stuff because you have to build a new audience for each attempt, or risk loosing the one that has already bought into your existing algorithm. What if a social media platform could be built where "the algorithms" were user created plug-ins that users could subscribe to? Each "subreddit" with their own set of algorithms.

nine_k 4y ago
> vote as many times you like but the more you vote the less each vote weight. With that, single-issue voters, preferably in a form of gangs, get the most power. I like the idea of iterating on algorithms within small social media niches / segments, like subreddits. The key is that it can be opt-in this way. But who is going to work on implementing all that, and why? Developer time costs a lot :(
- pbronez 4y ago
  I bet it wouldn’t be too hard to fork Lemmy [0] to experiment with different voting schemes. [0] https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/index.html https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/index.html
- lonk11 4y ago
  The feed ranking algorithm I implemented for LinkLonk does reduce the weight of your vote the more you vote. If I upvote what you upvoted then your votes get more weight for me. This incentivizes each user to upvote what they truly found useful for themselves as opposed to the current incentives of social media which makes you upvote/like the stuff you want others to see. Details of the algorithm: https://linklonk.com/item/3292763817660940288 https://linklonk.com/item/3292763817660940288
phailhaus 4y ago
> What if a social media platform could be built where "the algorithms" were user created plug-ins that users could subscribe to? Each "subreddit" with their own set of algorithms. I think this goes too broad, like asking "what if we there was one tool that could be turned into any tool?" Well, it wouldn't really be good at any of them. We have enough data now to understand how different social media designs affect behavior, we should be able to propose changes to disincentivize certain ones. For example, reputation systems tilt towards well-mannered behavior. It's not perfect, but it's about nudges and pokes to subtly shape culture. One of the most egregious offenders is still Facebook, whose comment and reply system actively boosts toxic content since the platform is only capable of measuring "engagement." Tons of angry reacts? Straight to the top! And the lack of proper comment threading means that everyone just kind of yells in each other's general direction, with no way to follow anyone's conversation.
oldsecondhand 4y ago
> What if each user gets a fixed number of vote points per month? That's called Slashdot.

nine_k 4y ago

> vote as many times you like but the more you vote the less each vote weight. With that, single-issue voters, preferably in a form of gangs, get the most power. I like the idea of iterating on algorithms within small social media niches / segments, like subreddits. The key is that it can be opt-in this way. But who is going to work on implementing all that, and why? Developer time costs a lot :(

pbronez 4y ago
I bet it wouldn’t be too hard to fork Lemmy [0] to experiment with different voting schemes. [0] https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/index.html https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/index.html
lonk11 4y ago
The feed ranking algorithm I implemented for LinkLonk does reduce the weight of your vote the more you vote. If I upvote what you upvoted then your votes get more weight for me. This incentivizes each user to upvote what they truly found useful for themselves as opposed to the current incentives of social media which makes you upvote/like the stuff you want others to see. Details of the algorithm: https://linklonk.com/item/3292763817660940288 https://linklonk.com/item/3292763817660940288

phailhaus 4y ago

> What if a social media platform could be built where "the algorithms" were user created plug-ins that users could subscribe to? Each "subreddit" with their own set of algorithms. I think this goes too broad, like asking "what if we there was one tool that could be turned into any tool?" Well, it wouldn't really be good at any of them. We have enough data now to understand how different social media designs affect behavior, we should be able to propose changes to disincentivize certain ones. For example, reputation systems tilt towards well-mannered behavior. It's not perfect, but it's about nudges and pokes to subtly shape culture. One of the most egregious offenders is still Facebook, whose comment and reply system actively boosts toxic content since the platform is only capable of measuring "engagement." Tons of angry reacts? Straight to the top! And the lack of proper comment threading means that everyone just kind of yells in each other's general direction, with no way to follow anyone's conversation.

oldsecondhand 4y ago

> What if each user gets a fixed number of vote points per month? That's called Slashdot.