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It’s not the people, it’s the management that decided which traits they would reward, both at hiring and during the career.

sithlord 4y ago
at least in the tech side of things, they decided to hire the same type of person, uncreatives who memorize leetcode questions and have no ability to think outside of that box. memorize leetcode, regurgitate memorize system design, regurgitate. There are no room for creatives with that process.
steveBK123 4y ago
Thankfully when I was graduating they had some strict school & GPA filters that someone as lowly as me wasn't even dignified a response. Wall Street tech DGAF about that though.
- neilv 4y ago
  It seemed like Google's hiring filters were about what a Stanford student might think is important (that socioeconomic class, had learned what Stanford students do, thinks whatever they don't know is less important or follows naturally from what they know, preferably recent grad (again, student thinking), with affluent lifestyle expectations, etc.). Wall Street, OTOH, is about making money. They might also not fully know how to hire the people they want, but it seemed they valued scrappy more, especially when it leads to real results (which are maybe easier for them to see, when it can be pretty directly quantified in dollars). (Though the Wall Street recruiter I talked with, back 2 decades ago, when I first wanted to work for Google, did ask about my GPA. So I told them I had a perfect GPA, like most of the other students in that grad program, and that that wouldn't tell them much about someone's potential. Then I told them I didn't really want to work on Wall Street, which had a bad reputation from the preceding decade, though the $400K to start was maybe 10x what I was making at the time. Then Google gave me some asinine brogrammer student nonsense in the interview, before that was a thing, and before wannabe companies mimicked it. So I ended up going to neither company.)
  - steveBK123 4y ago
    I graduated between dotbomb & GFC, so my dad was convinced programmers would never have jobs again. Further, Silicon Valley was not exactly top of the list for me given the preceding crash. Finally, if you wanted to stay on east coast in late 90s/early 00s in tech, there wasn't a lot of choice outside Wall St.
- nradov 4y ago
  And yet there are fairly high-level Google employees who came in with acquisitions and don't even have college degrees.

sithlord 4y ago

at least in the tech side of things, they decided to hire the same type of person, uncreatives who memorize leetcode questions and have no ability to think outside of that box. memorize leetcode, regurgitate memorize system design, regurgitate. There are no room for creatives with that process.

steveBK123 4y ago

Thankfully when I was graduating they had some strict school & GPA filters that someone as lowly as me wasn't even dignified a response. Wall Street tech DGAF about that though.

neilv 4y ago
It seemed like Google's hiring filters were about what a Stanford student might think is important (that socioeconomic class, had learned what Stanford students do, thinks whatever they don't know is less important or follows naturally from what they know, preferably recent grad (again, student thinking), with affluent lifestyle expectations, etc.). Wall Street, OTOH, is about making money. They might also not fully know how to hire the people they want, but it seemed they valued scrappy more, especially when it leads to real results (which are maybe easier for them to see, when it can be pretty directly quantified in dollars). (Though the Wall Street recruiter I talked with, back 2 decades ago, when I first wanted to work for Google, did ask about my GPA. So I told them I had a perfect GPA, like most of the other students in that grad program, and that that wouldn't tell them much about someone's potential. Then I told them I didn't really want to work on Wall Street, which had a bad reputation from the preceding decade, though the $400K to start was maybe 10x what I was making at the time. Then Google gave me some asinine brogrammer student nonsense in the interview, before that was a thing, and before wannabe companies mimicked it. So I ended up going to neither company.)
- steveBK123 4y ago
  I graduated between dotbomb & GFC, so my dad was convinced programmers would never have jobs again. Further, Silicon Valley was not exactly top of the list for me given the preceding crash. Finally, if you wanted to stay on east coast in late 90s/early 00s in tech, there wasn't a lot of choice outside Wall St.
nradov 4y ago
And yet there are fairly high-level Google employees who came in with acquisitions and don't even have college degrees.