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But you can still see the code and learn generally how to write code. Maybe you see a style of unit testing in a library, and decide to incorporate the techniqu

But you can still see the code and learn generally how to write code. Maybe you see a style of unit testing in a library, and decide to incorporate the techniques into your own code. This is not a copyright violation. It can't be, or all creative expression would be dead.

jcelerier 4y ago
Don't be so sure of that: in music it's now established that getting too close from the "style" of another musician is a copyright violation: https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what-s-going-on-another-marvin-gaye-62801/ https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what-s-going-on-another-ma...
- rickydroll 4y ago
  and this ruling will prove to be a disaster for music creation as there will be fewer copyright free spaces for music as time goes on. a similar ruling will also be a disaster for software as our tools of expression are very restricted. code is based on boolean algebra and predicate calculus, practice guides like design patterns and books teaching algorithms and data structures. there are lots of ways to write bad code and only a few for good, correct code. Recognizing this led me to replicating known working code, code I had created, for multiple employers. so who's copyright did I intentionally violate? I think we are attacking the wrong problem WRT ML and copyright. to me, ML shows the foundation on which copyright is built is a lie. we should use ML to break copyright for code.
  - salawat 4y ago
    To hell with only focusing on code. We should break copyright completely and take back the intellectual landscape.
- dTal 4y ago
  Important distinction - these lawsuits are about copying the "style" of a single song, not a musician's entire output.
crote 4y ago
This does not universally hold, though. For example, the "clean-room design" method of copying a work exists precisely to avoid potential copyright issues. One team reads the original work and writes a description in such a way that it cannot possibly be infringing, and a second team reads the description and creates the new work. This avoids any chance of someone reading the original work and incorporating potentially infringing aspects into the new work.

jcelerier 4y ago

Don't be so sure of that: in music it's now established that getting too close from the "style" of another musician is a copyright violation: https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what-s-going-on-another-marvin-gaye-62801/ https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what-s-going-on-another-ma...

rickydroll 4y ago
and this ruling will prove to be a disaster for music creation as there will be fewer copyright free spaces for music as time goes on. a similar ruling will also be a disaster for software as our tools of expression are very restricted. code is based on boolean algebra and predicate calculus, practice guides like design patterns and books teaching algorithms and data structures. there are lots of ways to write bad code and only a few for good, correct code. Recognizing this led me to replicating known working code, code I had created, for multiple employers. so who's copyright did I intentionally violate? I think we are attacking the wrong problem WRT ML and copyright. to me, ML shows the foundation on which copyright is built is a lie. we should use ML to break copyright for code.
- salawat 4y ago
  To hell with only focusing on code. We should break copyright completely and take back the intellectual landscape.
dTal 4y ago
Important distinction - these lawsuits are about copying the "style" of a single song, not a musician's entire output.

crote 4y ago

This does not universally hold, though. For example, the "clean-room design" method of copying a work exists precisely to avoid potential copyright issues. One team reads the original work and writes a description in such a way that it cannot possibly be infringing, and a second team reads the description and creates the new work. This avoids any chance of someone reading the original work and incorporating potentially infringing aspects into the new work.