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Treating half the population as undeserving of a career is "extremely minor"?

mcculley 4y ago
I am not convinced that finding "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the population as undeserving of a career".
- Retric 4y ago
  In what way are they different? It seems like a different description of the same thing.
  - mcculley 4y ago
    One is hyperbolic. One can believe that there is some bias against women without believing that they are treated as undeserving of having a career.
    - Retric 4y ago
      Ok, I read the description as quite literal not hyperbolic.
      - mcculley 4y ago
        And you think they are the same? How much experience do you have with the Japanese job market?
        Retric 4y ago
        I am not a female in the Japanese job market, but I do have first hand accounts from them. Are you a woman in the Japanese job market?
        mcculley 4y ago
        I am not a woman in the Japanese job market. I am merely a man trying to understand how "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the population as undeserving of a career". I see "job opportunities and career growth severely limited" for women in many industries in the United States and yet it would be silly to say that many think they are "undeserving of a career". I am skeptical of some claims made about specific industries and cultures being much worse than others.
        Retric 4y ago
        The word choice may be the same, but Japan is significantly more extreme than the US. In 2018 21.8% of Medical doctors in Japan where women vs 36.6% in the US and 48.6% in the UK. https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/medical-doctors-by-sex https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai... You can find more and less extreme examples in various industries, but there’s a real difference between the two counties.
        mcculley 4y ago
        Does this existence of fewer women in a job mean that they are kept out by those who think them “undeserving of a career”? Only 4% of sewage plant operators are female. Is that because they are kept out of the industry?
        Retric 4y ago
        Deserving of a career here implies the career is desirable. So, I understand if reality makes you uncomfortable but reality doesn’t care.
        mcculley 4y ago
        The reality of the situation has not caused me any discomfort. I remain unconvinced that the two phrases are descriptions of the same thing.
saberience 4y ago
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- unmole 4y ago
  > America just literally banned abortion This is simply not true. While shootings get a lot of attention, the probability of getting shot is approximately zero.
  - fvdessen 4y ago
    It’s not zero at all it’s higher than dying from a bike accident
  - lemoncookiechip 4y ago
    We literally had a mass shooting where 10 died and 10 were injured, today. And the number 1 cause of death in children is gun violence, for the last few years.
    - unmole 4y ago
      > We literally had a mass shooting where 10 died and 10 were injured, today. And? Statistically, every day over a 100 people die in motor vehicle incidents and a further 100 from fall related injuries in America. You're just proving my point. > number 1 cause of death in children is gun violence, Firearm related deaths are not all gun violence. The overwhelming majority of them are accidents.
  - Joeri 4y ago
    Just looked it up: 0.3% lifetime probability of dying by gun assault. Mass shootings are indeed lower at 0.01%.
- asveikau 4y ago
  The religious nutters who banned abortion (edit: better put, eroded protections on it) are literally the same people who are trying to get everyone to focus on a severely overstated crime problem, as the grandparent comment did. In fact you can point to Trump for both of these. On crime: He came in with his outdated world view shaped by 1980s New York complaining of "American carnage in our cities" at a time when crime was at a 25 year low. On abortion: Then he filled a few supreme court seats.
kerpotgh 4y ago
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I am not convinced that finding "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the population as undeserving of a career".

Retric 4y ago
In what way are they different? It seems like a different description of the same thing.
- mcculley 4y ago
  One is hyperbolic. One can believe that there is some bias against women without believing that they are treated as undeserving of having a career.
  - Retric 4y ago
    Ok, I read the description as quite literal not hyperbolic.
    - mcculley 4y ago
      And you think they are the same? How much experience do you have with the Japanese job market?
      - Retric 4y ago
        I am not a female in the Japanese job market, but I do have first hand accounts from them. Are you a woman in the Japanese job market?
        mcculley 4y ago
        I am not a woman in the Japanese job market. I am merely a man trying to understand how "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the population as undeserving of a career". I see "job opportunities and career growth severely limited" for women in many industries in the United States and yet it would be silly to say that many think they are "undeserving of a career". I am skeptical of some claims made about specific industries and cultures being much worse than others.
        Retric 4y ago
        The word choice may be the same, but Japan is significantly more extreme than the US. In 2018 21.8% of Medical doctors in Japan where women vs 36.6% in the US and 48.6% in the UK. https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/medical-doctors-by-sex https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai... You can find more and less extreme examples in various industries, but there’s a real difference between the two counties.
        mcculley 4y ago
        Does this existence of fewer women in a job mean that they are kept out by those who think them “undeserving of a career”? Only 4% of sewage plant operators are female. Is that because they are kept out of the industry?
        Retric 4y ago
        Deserving of a career here implies the career is desirable. So, I understand if reality makes you uncomfortable but reality doesn’t care.
        mcculley 4y ago
        The reality of the situation has not caused me any discomfort. I remain unconvinced that the two phrases are descriptions of the same thing.

saberience 4y ago

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unmole 4y ago
> America just literally banned abortion This is simply not true. While shootings get a lot of attention, the probability of getting shot is approximately zero.
- fvdessen 4y ago
  It’s not zero at all it’s higher than dying from a bike accident
- lemoncookiechip 4y ago
  We literally had a mass shooting where 10 died and 10 were injured, today. And the number 1 cause of death in children is gun violence, for the last few years.
  - unmole 4y ago
    > We literally had a mass shooting where 10 died and 10 were injured, today. And? Statistically, every day over a 100 people die in motor vehicle incidents and a further 100 from fall related injuries in America. You're just proving my point. > number 1 cause of death in children is gun violence, Firearm related deaths are not all gun violence. The overwhelming majority of them are accidents.
- Joeri 4y ago
  Just looked it up: 0.3% lifetime probability of dying by gun assault. Mass shootings are indeed lower at 0.01%.
asveikau 4y ago
The religious nutters who banned abortion (edit: better put, eroded protections on it) are literally the same people who are trying to get everyone to focus on a severely overstated crime problem, as the grandparent comment did. In fact you can point to Trump for both of these. On crime: He came in with his outdated world view shaped by 1980s New York complaining of "American carnage in our cities" at a time when crime was at a 25 year low. On abortion: Then he filled a few supreme court seats.

kerpotgh 4y ago

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