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If ChatGPT had up to the minute crawl results and my Geo location, that'd be enough. "Help me buy whichever budget electric range Wirecutter recommends at the

If ChatGPT had up to the minute crawl results and my Geo location, that'd be enough. "Help me buy whichever budget electric range Wirecutter recommends at the moment". > Okay, here's the store near your home that is selling the Frigidaire electric range that Wirecutter is currently recommending, at the best price. > Would you like to buy it online at roughly the same price or get the address of the store?

karpierz 4y ago
You're saying if ChatGPT had a regularly updated search index, and was capable of effectively ranking webpages to duck around SEO (adversarial webpages looking to hack the rankings), it'd be competitive with Google? Can you explain how this is any different than what Google does?
- sdrinf 4y ago
  Not GP, but, and this is a hypothesis, it seems to me the realtime scrape might be enough. GPT seems incredibly intelligent in figuring out the ranking(!), importance(!) constraint-search(!) and personalization(!) by itself. Meaning, if OpenAI can do realtime fine-tuning of the web on a daily basis, they _might_ have sidestepped ~25 years of R&D from Google, and be an order-of-mag better.
  - gremlinsinc 4y ago
    When I google, I have an internal dialogue about whether the results are shit to begin with, if they aren't, maybe the thing I'm looking for is more niche, so it's not in the top ten results. ChatGPT could for example just maybe try 5 google searches in the background, just glean data from the description, title, question asked, date, etc, and maybe use some of it's own scraping on the top 10 results to reorder them and give better summaries. E.g. imagine when you search via chatgpt. It googles : search phrase, search phrase + reddit, search phrase variation 1, variation 1 + reddit, var 2, etc... all in parallel almost then uses that to mini-tune an ai model to find the stuff that best matches what you're really wanting to find, and then scrapes top ten for results.
bagacrap 4y ago
I don't understand how this is different from what Google currently provides, except that it skips one step (navigating to wire cutter, selecting some text and right clicking, then "search web for [product name]"). The only difference, which is not an improvement, is that you've suddenly given Wirecutter total power. At least if you make users visit the site and read a bit of the review, the reviewer has the hurdle of writing some text that can convince a human reader that the results are not totally bought and paid for.
- svantana 4y ago
  Right! I think most people are uncomfortable with totally outsourcing their decisions, however smart the service is. I want to do my own research, and feel like I've gotten a good overview of the market before I commit.

karpierz 4y ago

You're saying if ChatGPT had a regularly updated search index, and was capable of effectively ranking webpages to duck around SEO (adversarial webpages looking to hack the rankings), it'd be competitive with Google? Can you explain how this is any different than what Google does?

sdrinf 4y ago
Not GP, but, and this is a hypothesis, it seems to me the realtime scrape might be enough. GPT seems incredibly intelligent in figuring out the ranking(!), importance(!) constraint-search(!) and personalization(!) by itself. Meaning, if OpenAI can do realtime fine-tuning of the web on a daily basis, they _might_ have sidestepped ~25 years of R&D from Google, and be an order-of-mag better.
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  When I google, I have an internal dialogue about whether the results are shit to begin with, if they aren't, maybe the thing I'm looking for is more niche, so it's not in the top ten results. ChatGPT could for example just maybe try 5 google searches in the background, just glean data from the description, title, question asked, date, etc, and maybe use some of it's own scraping on the top 10 results to reorder them and give better summaries. E.g. imagine when you search via chatgpt. It googles : search phrase, search phrase + reddit, search phrase variation 1, variation 1 + reddit, var 2, etc... all in parallel almost then uses that to mini-tune an ai model to find the stuff that best matches what you're really wanting to find, and then scrapes top ten for results.

bagacrap 4y ago

I don't understand how this is different from what Google currently provides, except that it skips one step (navigating to wire cutter, selecting some text and right clicking, then "search web for [product name]"). The only difference, which is not an improvement, is that you've suddenly given Wirecutter total power. At least if you make users visit the site and read a bit of the review, the reviewer has the hurdle of writing some text that can convince a human reader that the results are not totally bought and paid for.

svantana 4y ago
Right! I think most people are uncomfortable with totally outsourcing their decisions, however smart the service is. I want to do my own research, and feel like I've gotten a good overview of the market before I commit.