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It doesn’t work that well for Japan. Having spent some time working there, the economic stagnation and inverting age pyramid really weigh on the younger generat
by namdnay 4y ago
It doesn’t work that well for Japan. Having spent some time working there, the economic stagnation and inverting age pyramid really weigh on the younger generation. There’s a general feeling of decline that’s hard to put in words
- stuckinthepast 4y agoGood job there's no feeling of decline in Western Europe Thanks to immigration, young generations have all they need and there's plenty of optimism
- namdnay 4y agoErrrr no, there really isn’t? And yes, immigration has helped us keep relatively strong economies and filled positions that natives don’t want to do anymore
- stuckinthepast 4y ago[flagged]
- xwdv 4y agoBelieve me, it doesn’t.
- raffraffraff 4y agoI live in Western Europe and immigrants make up most of our bus drivers, trash collectors, store assistants, nurses, taxi drivers, builders and basically anybody who has repair skills (clothing, tech etc). Also, many of my colleagues in tech came to this country to work. So it's a mix, because immigrants also take jobs that the natives aren't qualified to do. And that's a good thing.
- soulbleed 4y ago*Don't want to do for low wages anymore
- sph 4y agoOf course, so let's close the doors and magically I'll get paid £30/hour to collect trash off the street, because there's no competition with the immigrants. Simple as. We've tried that in Britain. Come see how's that worked out for us.
- slothtrop 4y agoIn this country those are municipal jobs that give you a pension. One could do worse.
- eska 4y agoSo it’s ok if it’s some immigrant who gets the shit pay without any chance of a career, got it.
- petodo 4y agowell we can employ robots to do these low qualified tasks, if you think it will help those poor immigrants. I guess their jobs taken by robots is better option for you
- sph 4y agoThat's some dishonest retort right there. It's not so black-and-white. I never said people getting paid below minimum wage to collect trash is a good thing, you just assumed I did to take my argument down. I just pointed out that removing the layer of population that has no other choice than working below minimum wage will not solve the economic and social stratification. The point of my comment is that immigration and low pay are two completely unrelated phenomena that some loudmouths want us to believe they're correlated. The average voter, then, goes on to believe closing borders magically means they'll finally be able afford a mortgage and a better life while doing unskilled work. Less immigration, fewer candidates, they'll have to pay us more, no? If only it were that simple. For any hard problems, there is a clear, simple and wrong answer, which usually works quite well as a slogan for a political campaign. "Immigration" it's a classic example.
- bluepizza 4y agoI see you are not British.
- pantalaimon 4y agoThat’s entirely self-inflicted
- thefounder 4y agoI take this as sarcasm. Inmigration is trying to solve social policy failures of the government.
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- 0dayz 4y agoOnly among "racial purists" is immigration seen as the drive force of pessimism. Most of society view politicians and the failed project of neo-politics responsible for this development.
- sph 4y agoAre you another one of those that think everything is going to shit because of immigration? What used to be something only old racists and simpletons would loudly declaim 30 years ago, now it's become a common, yet still utterly moronic, party line. But it's so easy to blame everything on the brown and the gaijin, when thinking hard about a hard problem takes too much effort.
- slothtrop 4y agoYour diatribe seems based on a projection. The implication I glean of namdnay's point is that woes could be alleviated by immigration, and the responding user suggests that it's not a silver bullet. That's different than saying "everything is going to shit because of immigration". Also, being critical of immigration policy is not tantamount to criticizing the immigrants themselves. That's another projection. There are surely advantages to immigration, but I think it's disingenuous to suggest it has zero potential downsides especially with higher rates as other policies and structures don't necessarily shift in tandem to accommodate it. For example, wage suppression - it's just simple supply and demand, which should be uncontroversial. But maybe one that might speak to some people more: everyone in the West has a higher carbon footprint, and no one moves here to consume less. The things we enjoy and take for granted are what make it a better life. So any conceit of potentially lowering waste/emissions qua consumer choice is wholly undermined by the fact that it is a matter of policy to increase consumption - with more bodies - to boost the GDP. Rates of global emissions are growing not just through growing economies like China (which is probably the largest factor of the last 20 years), but immigration.
- the_af 4y agoYou started your irony well, then had to blame immigrants and ruin your point.
- jessepasley 4y agoNo, they blamed immigration, not immigrants. Stop using people who are hoping to improve their lives as a shield.
- the_af 4y agoImmigration or immigrants, doesn't change the point: blaming immigration for Europe's ills. > Stop using people who are hoping to improve their lives as a shield. I'm taking the side of those people, and against the old racist/xenophobic canard that seems to be on the rise again, sadly.
- slothtrop 4y agoInverted pyramids don't last, and growing GDP at this level serves to benefit the rich, not citizens. If the Japanese don't struggle to find jobs and afford cost of living, if they have quality of life, what is the significance of a stagnant GDP?
- mlyle 4y agoWhy do you believe inverted pyramids don't last? They last for a long time after you get the birth rate back up. And Japan's not gotten the birth rate back up. Indeed, it seems like the drag from having an older population does a lot to keep the birth rate down. Our best forecasts show Japan's population pyramid as still markedly inverted and still shrinking in 2100. (I don't agree with your other point either, necessarily, but I chose to ask about this one).
- slothtrop 4y ago> Why do you believe inverted pyramids don't last? Death. And there are trivial ways to keep fertility at replacement level and not negative, on par with most other 1st-world countries. A perpetually inverted pyramid would require that fertility rate shrink even further, until it approaches 0 - do we have a reason to believe this will happen? Notwithstanding, in 100 years the entire global population growth is projected to stagnate, which will make this a moot point. No one will be able to rely on immigration to grow perpetually.
- Aeolun 4y agoI don’t feel like it’s that bad? People are worried about jobs and housing, but compared to the rest of the world it’s all still pretty affordable.