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entire islamic theology is based on Abraham and his actions, the rituals in the holy journey of Hajj and Umrah are all repeats of actions of Abraham and his fam

entire islamic theology is based on Abraham and his actions, the rituals in the holy journey of Hajj and Umrah are all repeats of actions of Abraham and his family.

MonkeyClub 4y ago
Yep it’s a very narrow focus on one person, and disregards the millennium of Judaic and Christian traditions that followed on from Abraham. In general, to my ears “Abrahamic religions” is a forced academic classification, and doesn’t point to any actual spiritual kinship shared between the religions thus classified.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > In general, to my ears “Abrahamic religions” is a forced academic classification, and doesn’t point to any actual spiritual kinship shared between the religions thus classified. They all share the same god and the same origin story, and even share religious sites. Compare them to any other religion, and they are quite close.
  - jkepler 4y ago
    > They all share the same god ... Except that they don't share the same god. The Christian God is triune, one God existing in the three distinct persons of Father, Son, and Spirit, which the Jews and Muslims both reject. Further, though Judaism and Christianity agree that the only true creator God, YHWH (or Yahweh/Jehovah according to Christianity), has revealed himself in deeds and words, Islam says that his name is Allah. And of course, fundamental to Christianity is the acknowledgement of the full humanity /and/ full divinity of Jesus of Nazareth, crucified and resurrected. Judaism and Islam both reject those beliefs, thus we again see a difference on who God is. These three monotheistic religions each have separate conceptions of God.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      > The Christian God is triune, one God existing in the three distinct persons of Father, Son, and Spirit, which the Jews and Muslims both reject. The Protestant* god. Catholic and Orthodox disagree on that specific phrasing. https://christianityfaq.com/catholic-protestant-christianity-orthodox-comparison/ https://christianityfaq.com/catholic-protestant-christianity... As a non-religious person, the differences between the Catholic, Orthodox and various Protestant faiths aren't dissimilar to the differences between them all and Islam and Judaism.
    - cess11 4y ago
      Allah isn't a name in that sense, it's the arabic word that means God, and it's the one that christian arabs use when they talk about God from a christian perspective. There's a lot of different ideas about what monotheism and God means within those three, highly related, religious families too. It's very weird to single out islam in this way, seems political rather than historic or religious.
    - carapace 4y ago
      > [H]is name is Allah. "Allah" is not a name, it's the Arabic word for "God". > These three monotheistic religions each have separate conceptions of God. Right, separate human conceptions of the same God.
    - throw310822 4y ago
      The entire concept of "sameness" doesn't make sense when talking about objects that are unknowable or just non-existent. For example, two persons can describe in different terms a real object (say, a chair): in that case, the object exists independently from its descriptions and the two persons can eventually agree on the fact that there is indeed one object they were both looking at. But for objects that are unknowable or non-existent, it is the description that defines the object- and each description, unless entirely equivalent to the others, defines a different object. Therefore the idea that Abrahamic religions relate to the same God can only make sense from a perspective of faith.
  - MonkeyClub 4y ago
    > Compare them to any other religion, and they are quite close. Apples and oranges are quite close when compared to chairs and tables, but they’re different. Regarding the “same God” thing, you’re two thirds right, Islam being the other third.
- simple-thoughts 4y ago
  Have you actually even met a Muslim? Most will consider Christian and Jews brothers in faith. There’s far more similarities than differences, contrasted with the local pantheistic religions Mohammad (PBUH) preached to replace.
- lolinder 4y ago
  > Yep it’s a very narrow focus on one person That one person being Abraham. Hence "Abrahamic". If the adjective were "Davidic" you'd have a point, but the whole premise of the "Abrahamic religions" label is that they trace their religious genealogy back to Abraham. The label makes no claim about any shared history since then. EDIT: And as far as your claim of a lack of spiritual kinship—do you know anything about any of the non-Abrahamic religions? When you set Hinduism or Shinto into the mix, Islam practically looks like a sect of Christianity.

entire islamic theology is based on Abraham and his actions, the rituals in the holy journey of Hajj and Umrah are all repeats of actions of Abraham and his family.

MonkeyClub 4y ago

Yep it’s a very narrow focus on one person, and disregards the millennium of Judaic and Christian traditions that followed on from Abraham. In general, to my ears “Abrahamic religions” is a forced academic classification, and doesn’t point to any actual spiritual kinship shared between the religions thus classified.

sofixa 4y ago
> In general, to my ears “Abrahamic religions” is a forced academic classification, and doesn’t point to any actual spiritual kinship shared between the religions thus classified. They all share the same god and the same origin story, and even share religious sites. Compare them to any other religion, and they are quite close.
- jkepler 4y ago
  > They all share the same god ... Except that they don't share the same god. The Christian God is triune, one God existing in the three distinct persons of Father, Son, and Spirit, which the Jews and Muslims both reject. Further, though Judaism and Christianity agree that the only true creator God, YHWH (or Yahweh/Jehovah according to Christianity), has revealed himself in deeds and words, Islam says that his name is Allah. And of course, fundamental to Christianity is the acknowledgement of the full humanity /and/ full divinity of Jesus of Nazareth, crucified and resurrected. Judaism and Islam both reject those beliefs, thus we again see a difference on who God is. These three monotheistic religions each have separate conceptions of God.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    > The Christian God is triune, one God existing in the three distinct persons of Father, Son, and Spirit, which the Jews and Muslims both reject. The Protestant* god. Catholic and Orthodox disagree on that specific phrasing. https://christianityfaq.com/catholic-protestant-christianity-orthodox-comparison/ https://christianityfaq.com/catholic-protestant-christianity... As a non-religious person, the differences between the Catholic, Orthodox and various Protestant faiths aren't dissimilar to the differences between them all and Islam and Judaism.
  - cess11 4y ago
    Allah isn't a name in that sense, it's the arabic word that means God, and it's the one that christian arabs use when they talk about God from a christian perspective. There's a lot of different ideas about what monotheism and God means within those three, highly related, religious families too. It's very weird to single out islam in this way, seems political rather than historic or religious.
  - carapace 4y ago
    > [H]is name is Allah. "Allah" is not a name, it's the Arabic word for "God". > These three monotheistic religions each have separate conceptions of God. Right, separate human conceptions of the same God.
  - throw310822 4y ago
    The entire concept of "sameness" doesn't make sense when talking about objects that are unknowable or just non-existent. For example, two persons can describe in different terms a real object (say, a chair): in that case, the object exists independently from its descriptions and the two persons can eventually agree on the fact that there is indeed one object they were both looking at. But for objects that are unknowable or non-existent, it is the description that defines the object- and each description, unless entirely equivalent to the others, defines a different object. Therefore the idea that Abrahamic religions relate to the same God can only make sense from a perspective of faith.
- MonkeyClub 4y ago
  > Compare them to any other religion, and they are quite close. Apples and oranges are quite close when compared to chairs and tables, but they’re different. Regarding the “same God” thing, you’re two thirds right, Islam being the other third.
simple-thoughts 4y ago
Have you actually even met a Muslim? Most will consider Christian and Jews brothers in faith. There’s far more similarities than differences, contrasted with the local pantheistic religions Mohammad (PBUH) preached to replace.
lolinder 4y ago
> Yep it’s a very narrow focus on one person That one person being Abraham. Hence "Abrahamic". If the adjective were "Davidic" you'd have a point, but the whole premise of the "Abrahamic religions" label is that they trace their religious genealogy back to Abraham. The label makes no claim about any shared history since then. EDIT: And as far as your claim of a lack of spiritual kinship—do you know anything about any of the non-Abrahamic religions? When you set Hinduism or Shinto into the mix, Islam practically looks like a sect of Christianity.