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> It's easier to attack than defend Interestingly, I'd wager that very little infrastructure in developed countries was designed with any thought of defending

by grecy 4y ago

> It's easier to attack than defend Interestingly, I'd wager that very little infrastructure in developed countries was designed with any thought of defending it from it's own citizens.

Retric 4y ago
A lot of infrastructure is built with some concept of defense in mind from public trash cans to nuclear power plants. The electrical grid is largely ignored because it’s so big and distributed over such a large area it’s difficult for small groups to attack it successfully. So the focus is on limiting cascading failures. Shooting equipment only caused local damage and things got back to normal in a week. It was unpleasant for those affected, but you can catch people conducting repeated attacks a lot easier than you can harden all this infrastructure.
gsatic 4y ago
Things are breaking down everyday, and there is a large army of ants scurrying about keeping the lights on with shoe strings and bubble gum. Russia has been bombing Ukraine infra from Oct, used thousands of missiles and things are still running - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure#:~:text=Late%20February%202022%20the%20Russian,whatsoever%20to%20the%20civilian%20population https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_st....
- geepound 4y ago
  >things are still running running from the radiation released from the shelling of nuke plants, not running in the "performing normally" sense "Radiation levels increased about 20-fold on Thursday" https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60528828 https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c...
  - whythre 4y ago
    Yikes. That’s what we need, a key European breadbasket country poisoned to hell in a needless war.
    - SapporoChris 4y ago
      "Close to the reactor, you would normally receive a dose of about three units - called microsieverts - every hour. But on Thursday, that jumped to 65 microSv/hrs - about five times more than you would get on one transatlantic flight." https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60528828 https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c... 65 microSv or 65 µSv is a really trivial amount. It should inspire a yawn not a yikes. https://xkcd.com/radiation/ https://xkcd.com/radiation/
      - whythre 4y ago
        Doesn’t sound trivial. You go on enough high altitude flights, you will suffer cellular damage- and this dose is occurring daily. Furthermore, this current situation could easily worsen if further damage is done to the nuclear plants.
  - marak830 4y ago
    "The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported ." Seems it was not from the shelling.
    - geepound 4y ago
      >Seems it was not from the shelling. We think you're missing the larger point
geepound 4y ago
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- ipsin 4y ago
  Referring to actual people as "illegals" is gross.
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- sometimeshuman 4y ago
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HardlyCurious 4y ago
There is no suspects last I knew. We don't know if the perps were 'it's own citizen'.
- cleansingfire 4y ago
  Statistically they were americans. Foreign terrorists are historically negligible compared to domestic.
forgotusername6 4y ago
In the current climate I would have assumed it was Russian probing of critical infrastructure. There have been isolated attacks on pipelines, transport, and communication cables in various western countries.

by grecy 4y ago

> It's easier to attack than defend Interestingly, I'd wager that very little infrastructure in developed countries was designed with any thought of defending it from it's own citizens.

Retric 4y ago

A lot of infrastructure is built with some concept of defense in mind from public trash cans to nuclear power plants. The electrical grid is largely ignored because it’s so big and distributed over such a large area it’s difficult for small groups to attack it successfully. So the focus is on limiting cascading failures. Shooting equipment only caused local damage and things got back to normal in a week. It was unpleasant for those affected, but you can catch people conducting repeated attacks a lot easier than you can harden all this infrastructure.

gsatic 4y ago

Things are breaking down everyday, and there is a large army of ants scurrying about keeping the lights on with shoe strings and bubble gum. Russia has been bombing Ukraine infra from Oct, used thousands of missiles and things are still running - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure#:~:text=Late%20February%202022%20the%20Russian,whatsoever%20to%20the%20civilian%20population https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_st....

geepound 4y ago
>things are still running running from the radiation released from the shelling of nuke plants, not running in the "performing normally" sense "Radiation levels increased about 20-fold on Thursday" https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60528828 https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c...
- whythre 4y ago
  Yikes. That’s what we need, a key European breadbasket country poisoned to hell in a needless war.
  - SapporoChris 4y ago
    "Close to the reactor, you would normally receive a dose of about three units - called microsieverts - every hour. But on Thursday, that jumped to 65 microSv/hrs - about five times more than you would get on one transatlantic flight." https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60528828 https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c... 65 microSv or 65 µSv is a really trivial amount. It should inspire a yawn not a yikes. https://xkcd.com/radiation/ https://xkcd.com/radiation/
    - whythre 4y ago
      Doesn’t sound trivial. You go on enough high altitude flights, you will suffer cellular damage- and this dose is occurring daily. Furthermore, this current situation could easily worsen if further damage is done to the nuclear plants.
- marak830 4y ago
  "The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported ." Seems it was not from the shelling.
  - geepound 4y ago
    >Seems it was not from the shelling. We think you're missing the larger point

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ipsin 4y ago
Referring to actual people as "illegals" is gross.
- geepound 4y ago
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- fear_and_coffee 4y ago
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sometimeshuman 4y ago
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HardlyCurious 4y ago

There is no suspects last I knew. We don't know if the perps were 'it's own citizen'.

cleansingfire 4y ago
Statistically they were americans. Foreign terrorists are historically negligible compared to domestic.

forgotusername6 4y ago

In the current climate I would have assumed it was Russian probing of critical infrastructure. There have been isolated attacks on pipelines, transport, and communication cables in various western countries.