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Imagine writing this unhinged mental fanfiction for every news article you read. Headline: Man Steals Car "Well, if I fancied myself a racewar enthusiast of c
by kcatskcolbdi 4y ago
Imagine writing this unhinged mental fanfiction for every news article you read.
Headline: Man Steals Car
"Well, if I fancied myself a racewar enthusiast of course I would _say_ it was for money but it would obviously be in support of creating chaos and undermining the government institutions to allow for our brothers to rise against".
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- LarryMullins 4y agoHe's right about this much at least: > white supremacist literature from the last 40 years that repeatedly describes attacking critical infrastructure like pipelines, telecoms and electricity pylons and substations to create chaos I've seen such advocacy posted many times on 4chan. That doesn't prove much, but I think it validates that line of speculation.
- mc32 4y agoBut so do some people who fantasize about getting rid of fossil fuels --and they typically are polar opposites to the ones you are referring to... which goes to show extreme right and extreme left are like the head and tails of ouroboroses.
- LarryMullins 4y agoHeck, it might even be both. Ecofascist acolytes of Ted K, they exist too. We won't really know until they're caught.
- barbazoo 4y agoWhat nonsense. One is a much more serious threat than the other.
- LarryMullins 4y agoI didn't equivocate anything..
- secondcoming 4y agoTIL the Russian Army is inspired by 4chan
- ilyt 4y agoIsn't that like terrorism 101 ? Those are like the most obvious targets if all you do is to generate some mayhem
- backtoyoujim 4y ago[flagged]
- mc32 4y agoTerrorism has a specific meaning. All these are what one would call sabotage. It would be terrorism if the saboteurs disabled the substations in support of an attack terrorizing civilians. Example, they shoot up a substation so that police are unable to respond to a siege on some government agency or a hostage situation at a bank.
- JauntyHatAngle 4y agoYou can absolutely sabotage as a terrorist though. They aren't mutually exclusive. Damaging property if the motives and outcome align with what we consider terrorism is terrorism. But the meaning of terrorism is rather vague, and broad. If I blow up a substation and it causes blackouts and chaos, that can be terrorism.
- mc32 4y agoI agree with all you said.
- luckylion 4y agoIf you sink an oil tanker and a pollute large area for years or decades, that's terrorism because holy fuck that's scary. But what if you do it in a way that nobody knows it was intentional and don't tell anyone about it? You're absolutely right: blowing up substations can be terrorism. But you need someone claiming the attack and making demands.
- LarryMullins 4y agoThe attack on infrastructure itself could constitute terrorism, if the infrastructure attack was intended to scare or intimidate the public to achieve some political objective. Wiktionary's definition of terrorism includes attacks against property: "The use of unlawful violence against people or property to achieve political objectives." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terrorism https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terrorism
- HyperSane 4y agoHave you already forgotten about Timothy McVeigh?
- kcatskcolbdi 4y ago[flagged]
- nwiswell 4y agoThe economic incentive for stealing a car is a lot more obvious and mundane than attacking the power grid. It's not unreasonable to second guess (or is it first guess?) the motive in that context. It's pretty obvious when you compare the number of annual car thefts to the number of attacks on substations. This is an unusual event, it may have an unusual explanation.
- electrondood 4y agoThis is a disingenuous analogy. The likelihood that a person would attack four substations to rob a business is extremely low, and it's therefore reasonable to assume that their stated motive was a lie. The likelihood that a person would even attack one substation for the same aim is still low, in my opinion.
- pseudo0 4y agoThey also drove around with their cellphones, were caught on camera, had long rap sheets for previous criminal offenses, and a history of meth addiction... It seems entirely plausible that the idiots just kept driving around shooting substations until the lights went out. Also, if they had any basis whatsoever for a terrorism charge, I would have expected the DA to charge it. The media exposure and increase in profile would be irresistible, and charges can always be dropped later.
- asveikau 4y ago[flagged]
- DangitBobby 4y agoHow?
- asveikau 4y agoThey're going far out of their way to insult people who are concerned about some real and serious threats. If you look at the sibling comments, I'm not the only one noticing this. When confronted with the existence of Timothy McVeigh, the commenter replies mockingly with a reference to a nursery time (now flagged). That's pretty insane.
- veec_cas_tant 4y agoHeadline: Power Infrastructure Attacked Hinged response: this was obviously done to rob a business