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Every business will can projects in their portfolio when belt tightening. VR and its multitude of derivative just isn't a core competency of M$. If anybody is t

Every business will can projects in their portfolio when belt tightening. VR and its multitude of derivative just isn't a core competency of M$. If anybody is to win this space then it'll be Apple IMO.

xigency 4y ago
It’s not like cutting other products will make the core offerings better. I’m sure they could double the Windows 11 team size and the start menu search would still take 10+ seconds to find the app I’m searching for. At least mixed reality was interesting.
- jbigelow76 4y ago
  Dear Lord, do not tempt them to increase the size of the Windows team, they might find more places to shove all the stupid ads in that OS.
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  That's because Windows is far from being their core offering. Office is where the money is for Microsoft.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    Azure is where the money is now.
    - noAnswer 4y ago
      It would be a dream if they would sell Windows to a non publicly traded company "to concentrate on their core competence".
      - xmasspirit 4y ago
        They wouldn't do that. Windows Server is an integral part of Azure, running on every machine that hosts VMs.
fragmede 4y ago
Apple's spend in this area is totally unknown, other than everybody expects them to. To contrast, Meta has been spending so much in this area that they've bet the company on it. It's anybody's game right now, but Meta already has launched products and iterated on them.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Apple is built different as a tech company. They will keep everything a secret more closely guarded than the nuclear codes, then come out of nowhere with a mind-blowing product that leaves everything else in the dust, just like they did with the iPhone. A Quest 2 with an Apple Silicon CPU would, alone, be a game changer. There's probably some advanced head and eye tracking and SLAM AI in there too that makes Meta's stuff look like that clunky Virtuality gear from the 90s in comparison. Probably a thinner, lighter form factor. You think I'm exaggerating, but Apple has the best engineering talent in the world, a commitment to deliver revolutionary products, and first bite at the supply-chain, er, tomato. Betting against them is a fool's move, no one else will be able to even TOUCH them.
  - extheat 4y ago
    How is working at Apple like?
    - bitwize 4y ago
      If I worked there, I wouldn't be posting things like that to Hackernews for fear of black SUVs rolling up to my home.
      - mishu2 4y ago
        I would expect them to have white SUVs.
        dh2022 4y ago
        with rounded corners and all...
baby 4y ago
You mean Meta right? Otherwise it just sounds like you haven’t been following the field.
- esskay 4y ago
  Not op, and not to be rude but honestly sounds like you maybe haven't. Meta's bleeding right now. Their attempt at Metaverse is failing hard. Meanwhile we've got Apple coming along with thier extremely efficient in-house chip architecture thats about to release a lightweight headset with performance that blows away anything Meta has, not to mention an existing ecosystem that it will slot right into. Outside of Meta everybody knows the 'Metaverse' (i.e in the form as 'Meta' themselves describe it) is a truely awful concept that clearly is not gaining popularity or any kind of desire from the general public. Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lighter design and higher battery life. Hardware wise it'll make everything Metas produced look pretty archaic. Then it comes to software and app ecosystem. I don't think theres even a debate to be had here. Meta vs Apple would be laughably one sided.
  - zmmmmm 4y ago
    Meta is investing heavily, not "bleeding". The true test of their plans will be in 12-24 months when all this investment is supposed to surface. > Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking ... Based on the leaks we know that Apple has struggled to deliver a working product at all having repeatedly delayed then scaled back then canceled whole product areas. On the other hand, based on Meta's openly visible work at their labs (literally iniviting journalists to tour and try it out) we know they have cracked key areas that can potentially revolutionise the field in a few years. I do think Apple's product is going to be enormously successful and state of the art. But the most likely outcome is what Zuckerberg is shooting for - a repeat of the iOS vs Android playbook but this time with him in control of the open OS but without being at the mercy of OEMs and without the horrific fragementation issues.
- uptown 4y ago
  This is how Zuckerberg sees the metaverse: “We hope to basically get to around a billion people in the metaverse doing hundreds of dollars of commerce, each buying digital goods, digital content, different things to express themselves, so whether that’s clothing for their avatar or different digital goods for their virtual home or things to decorate their virtual conference room, utilities to be able to be more productive in virtual and augmented reality and across the metaverse overall” This type of commerce is all useless nonsense. If his measure of Metaverse success is hitting some mark for how much money he intends to extract from a user it's not a winning strategy.

xigency 4y ago

It’s not like cutting other products will make the core offerings better. I’m sure they could double the Windows 11 team size and the start menu search would still take 10+ seconds to find the app I’m searching for. At least mixed reality was interesting.

jbigelow76 4y ago
Dear Lord, do not tempt them to increase the size of the Windows team, they might find more places to shove all the stupid ads in that OS.
iLoveOncall 4y ago
That's because Windows is far from being their core offering. Office is where the money is for Microsoft.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Azure is where the money is now.
  - noAnswer 4y ago
    It would be a dream if they would sell Windows to a non publicly traded company "to concentrate on their core competence".
    - xmasspirit 4y ago
      They wouldn't do that. Windows Server is an integral part of Azure, running on every machine that hosts VMs.

fragmede 4y ago

Apple's spend in this area is totally unknown, other than everybody expects them to. To contrast, Meta has been spending so much in this area that they've bet the company on it. It's anybody's game right now, but Meta already has launched products and iterated on them.

bitwize 4y ago
Apple is built different as a tech company. They will keep everything a secret more closely guarded than the nuclear codes, then come out of nowhere with a mind-blowing product that leaves everything else in the dust, just like they did with the iPhone. A Quest 2 with an Apple Silicon CPU would, alone, be a game changer. There's probably some advanced head and eye tracking and SLAM AI in there too that makes Meta's stuff look like that clunky Virtuality gear from the 90s in comparison. Probably a thinner, lighter form factor. You think I'm exaggerating, but Apple has the best engineering talent in the world, a commitment to deliver revolutionary products, and first bite at the supply-chain, er, tomato. Betting against them is a fool's move, no one else will be able to even TOUCH them.
- extheat 4y ago
  How is working at Apple like?
  - bitwize 4y ago
    If I worked there, I wouldn't be posting things like that to Hackernews for fear of black SUVs rolling up to my home.
    - mishu2 4y ago
      I would expect them to have white SUVs.
      - dh2022 4y ago
        with rounded corners and all...

baby 4y ago

You mean Meta right? Otherwise it just sounds like you haven’t been following the field.

esskay 4y ago
Not op, and not to be rude but honestly sounds like you maybe haven't. Meta's bleeding right now. Their attempt at Metaverse is failing hard. Meanwhile we've got Apple coming along with thier extremely efficient in-house chip architecture thats about to release a lightweight headset with performance that blows away anything Meta has, not to mention an existing ecosystem that it will slot right into. Outside of Meta everybody knows the 'Metaverse' (i.e in the form as 'Meta' themselves describe it) is a truely awful concept that clearly is not gaining popularity or any kind of desire from the general public. Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lighter design and higher battery life. Hardware wise it'll make everything Metas produced look pretty archaic. Then it comes to software and app ecosystem. I don't think theres even a debate to be had here. Meta vs Apple would be laughably one sided.
- zmmmmm 4y ago
  Meta is investing heavily, not "bleeding". The true test of their plans will be in 12-24 months when all this investment is supposed to surface. > Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking ... Based on the leaks we know that Apple has struggled to deliver a working product at all having repeatedly delayed then scaled back then canceled whole product areas. On the other hand, based on Meta's openly visible work at their labs (literally iniviting journalists to tour and try it out) we know they have cracked key areas that can potentially revolutionise the field in a few years. I do think Apple's product is going to be enormously successful and state of the art. But the most likely outcome is what Zuckerberg is shooting for - a repeat of the iOS vs Android playbook but this time with him in control of the open OS but without being at the mercy of OEMs and without the horrific fragementation issues.
uptown 4y ago
This is how Zuckerberg sees the metaverse: “We hope to basically get to around a billion people in the metaverse doing hundreds of dollars of commerce, each buying digital goods, digital content, different things to express themselves, so whether that’s clothing for their avatar or different digital goods for their virtual home or things to decorate their virtual conference room, utilities to be able to be more productive in virtual and augmented reality and across the metaverse overall” This type of commerce is all useless nonsense. If his measure of Metaverse success is hitting some mark for how much money he intends to extract from a user it's not a winning strategy.