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Since you're very busy replying to my posts with non-citations, let's go through some of additional ones, most of which cite the study by ET Gershoff. https://
by Supermancho 4y ago
Since you're very busy replying to my posts with non-citations, let's go through some of additional ones, most of which cite the study by ET Gershoff.
https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/21/04/effect-spanking-brain https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/21/04/effect-spanking-br... - This study determines that spanking (as well as other stimuli, like observed violence) may influence behavior negatively. This is used as justification to determine that spanking is detrimental. The study does not expand this to corporal punishment overall, state sponsored or otherwise.
https://sites01.lsu.edu/faculty/pfricklab/wp-content/uploads/sites/100/2015/11/JADP2006-corporal-punishment.pdf https://sites01.lsu.edu/faculty/pfricklab/wp-content/uploads... - This had 98 subjects recruited from two school systems in the southeastern United States.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/ - This is basically a narrative summary of some existing studies, leaning heavily on -
* https://www.repeal43.org/docs/CP%20research%20US%20Nov%2012.pdf https://www.repeal43.org/docs/CP%20research%20US%20Nov%2012....
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5094178/pdf/nihms825783.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5094178/pdf/nih...
* https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261705604_The_effect_of_corporal_punishment_on_antisocial_behavior_in_children https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261705604_The_effec...
Getting access to papers directly is often troublesome, so there may be an additional step of clicking on a link to get the PDF. 2/3 of these papers focus on effects of pre-school corporal punishment (ages 2-6) exclusively, which is hard to correlate to the topic but provides solid evidence that corporal punishment (without qualification) for infants correlates to behavioral problems.
I would not agree that there is consensus nor is there conclusive data in regard to corporal punishment in schools (post-preschool). This is not an issue of convenience, but has large social implications. If you could provide something a bit more compelling, I'm open to it. I don't have a vested interest, other than a higher standard of proof, such that I can defend conclusive evidence.
- tptacek 4y agoThis is a strange response, because every single paper you've linked to supports my argument, directly.
- Supermancho 4y agoIt's not strange _at_all_ to present all aspects of an unknown in a good faith effort to determine the truth. That being said, it's not surprising you decide something is settled only based on things you agree with.
- tptacek 4y agoWe are definitely the only two people reading this, and you're likely to have the last word because it's not going to occur to me to go back and reread a 2-week-old thread, but if you'd like to rebut anything I say in the future, I recommend presenting evidence that contradicts my argument rather than evidence that supports it. Your problem isn't that I refuse to read things I disagree with; it's that you didn't find anything for me to disagree with.
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- Supermancho 4y agoSo far you have dismissed some studies as poisoned by contradictory interest and characterized some studies as supporting. I claim undecided. You claim "broad consensus", for some value of broad that you have curated from sources...at least nothing beyond what I've cited. I don't think anything has changed. GL