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Copyright only governs publishing. So you have the right to train AI with any and all data you have access to, as far as copyright is concerned.

kube-system 4y ago
Yes but using AI to generate works that can be used commercially is the way commercial AI companies plan to monetize AI.
- threeseed 4y ago
  There have been leaks where OpenAI is charging $42/month to use their service. How much of that is going back to the copyright holders whose work their service derives value from ?
  - chii 4y ago
    > How much of that is going back to the copyright holders whose work their service derives value from ? how much of the earnings of the student of art goes to the textbook authors, paintings and learning materials he used to get to where he is today?
    - Groxx 4y ago
      Derivative works are their own things (when sufficiently derivative). And AIs are not humans - using an algorithm does not automatically remove the copyright. See also "I uploaded a movie to youtube but it's upside down, why did it get taken down".
      - yosame 4y ago
        But that's because the movie is still recognisable. Using an algorithm doesn't automatically remove copyright, but if the algorithm transforms the data to a point where it can't be recognised as the original work, then it isn't breaking copyright.
        Groxx 4y ago
        Those may be fine, yes. But the AI as a whole is capable of reproducing the original in a recognizable form, and it does so on demand quite easily, because it was trained on them - how is it different than selling a zip file containing millions of copyrighted works, and also a bunch of new stuff?
        chii 4y ago
        > how is it different than selling a zip file containing millions of copyrighted works so you're saying that the digits of pi is violating copyright then?
        Groxx 4y ago
        I can ask one to produce copyrighted works. The other, not so much. That's a rather weak straw-man.
        kube-system 4y ago
        Copyright law hinges on human element of the actions taking place, not on mathematical technicality. The digits of pi are not creative human expression, nor are they derived from human expression, they're a factual mathematical discovery. They can neither infringe on copyright, nor are they subject to it themselves.
        chii 4y ago
        So what differentiates the matrix of numbers in the AI model, vs digits of pi?
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Groxx 4y ago
Train it on, perhaps. But personal not-published use is a rather small niche compared to the current commercial explosion.
lelanthran 4y ago
> Copyright only governs publishing. So you have the right to train AI with any and all data you have access to, as far as copyright is concerned. Sure, but you still just cannot output anything that looks like a derived or copied work. So, maybe ... how about if image generation nets hold onto the training images so that it can compare the generated output against its training data to ensure that it is not too similar. /s (but only a little)

kube-system 4y ago

Yes but using AI to generate works that can be used commercially is the way commercial AI companies plan to monetize AI.

threeseed 4y ago
There have been leaks where OpenAI is charging $42/month to use their service. How much of that is going back to the copyright holders whose work their service derives value from ?
- chii 4y ago
  > How much of that is going back to the copyright holders whose work their service derives value from ? how much of the earnings of the student of art goes to the textbook authors, paintings and learning materials he used to get to where he is today?
  - Groxx 4y ago
    Derivative works are their own things (when sufficiently derivative). And AIs are not humans - using an algorithm does not automatically remove the copyright. See also "I uploaded a movie to youtube but it's upside down, why did it get taken down".
    - yosame 4y ago
      But that's because the movie is still recognisable. Using an algorithm doesn't automatically remove copyright, but if the algorithm transforms the data to a point where it can't be recognised as the original work, then it isn't breaking copyright.
      - Groxx 4y ago
        Those may be fine, yes. But the AI as a whole is capable of reproducing the original in a recognizable form, and it does so on demand quite easily, because it was trained on them - how is it different than selling a zip file containing millions of copyrighted works, and also a bunch of new stuff?
        chii 4y ago
        > how is it different than selling a zip file containing millions of copyrighted works so you're saying that the digits of pi is violating copyright then?
        Groxx 4y ago
        I can ask one to produce copyrighted works. The other, not so much. That's a rather weak straw-man.
        kube-system 4y ago
        Copyright law hinges on human element of the actions taking place, not on mathematical technicality. The digits of pi are not creative human expression, nor are they derived from human expression, they're a factual mathematical discovery. They can neither infringe on copyright, nor are they subject to it themselves.
        chii 4y ago
        So what differentiates the matrix of numbers in the AI model, vs digits of pi?

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Groxx 4y ago

Train it on, perhaps. But personal not-published use is a rather small niche compared to the current commercial explosion.

lelanthran 4y ago

> Copyright only governs publishing. So you have the right to train AI with any and all data you have access to, as far as copyright is concerned. Sure, but you still just cannot output anything that looks like a derived or copied work. So, maybe ... how about if image generation nets hold onto the training images so that it can compare the generated output against its training data to ensure that it is not too similar. /s (but only a little)