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I don’t want to speak to your personal trauma, but child abuse is never an effective tool.
by eh9 4y ago
I don’t want to speak to your personal trauma, but child abuse is never an effective tool.
- slibhb 4y agoDefining corporeal punishment as "child abuse" is incorrect.
- cschmatzler 4y agoViolence is always abuse, and it’s significantly worse when an adult is targeting a child.
- Supermancho 4y ago> Violence is always abuse, So any form of self defense is abuse? I'm not sure you've thought this through. Trivializing complex issues is the kneejerk response for many, but there isn't a simple moral line of thinking that billions of people have overlooked.
- vidarh 4y agoYes, it's abusive, and with self defence that is the point: your attacker has deprived you of safety and of another immediate recourse, so you're forced to lower yourself to their level. It doesn't make it good; it makes it necessary, and for that reason we often consider it legitimate. If an adult tried to assault my son, and he hit back, I wouldn't consider it good, but I would be proud he felt able to defend himself against a violent attacker. Even if that attacker was a teacher.
- Supermancho 4y ago> > > Violence is always abuse, > > So any form of self defense is abuse? > Yes, it's abusive Abuse is a term used to describe impropriety of action. The idea that impropriety is used to counter impropriety is not coherent. Self-defense is proper (suitable, appropriate, etc) use of force, insofar as an individual values safety of their person. Self-defense is necessarily not abuse. I dont think any amount of rewording will change this.
- vidarh 4y agoSince English is my second language, I checked a few dictionaries just now to check if I got what I intended wrong. Only one (Cambridge) restricted abuse to only the sense of impropriety of action. The others included variations such as physical maltreatment (Merriam Webster, American Heritage Dictionary), to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way (Collins / dictionary.com), "Abuse of someone is cruel and violent treatment of them" (Collins, collinsdictionary.com). If we restrict it to the impropriety of action, then I agree it does not apply to self defence, but that was not the meaning of my reply. I of course can't speak to the poster of the original statement, so if we interpret it as impropriety of action, I agree with you; in the broader sense allowed by the other dictionaries I stand by what I wrote.
- vidarh 4y agoIf it's abuse when done to an adult, it's abuse when done to a child. Doing any of this to an adult would be assault or battery in most countries. Of anyone hurt my child that way and the police didn't do anything, you can bet I'd find a way to give the abusers a taste of their own medicine.
- slibhb 4y agoIt's always funny how, when you engage with the "kinder, gentler" crowd, they immediately prove themselves morally unsophisticated. Striking a child is abuse and if your child was struck, you would take revenge by hitting the perpetrator. Okay.
- vidarh 4y agoIf my child is struck and there's no legal recourse, then yes, I would lower myself to their level. If society creates an unsafe environment, then sometimes violence is necessary as a means to fight an abusive regime and cause change. That does not mean it's a nice thing - last resorts seldom are. That you think I'm the "kinder, gentler" crowd is your mistake. I just don't like injustice, and punching down against someone unable to defend themselves is one of the worst forms of injustice.
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- eh9 4y agoChild abuse is any physical, emotional, or sexual mistreatment or neglect of a child. Corporal punishment can be harmful to children and may lead to long-term negative outcomes, such as increased aggression, mental health problems, and poor academic performance. That’s not to speak to who’s enforcing it and on who.
- slibhb 4y agoParents are always experimenting on their children. Faddish observational studies reflect the biases of the researchers. Also, there are legal and cultural definitions of child abuse and, at least where I'm from, corporeal punishment isn't necessarily abusive.
- eh9 4y agoRegardless of cultural norms or what parents might try, it’s violence against people who can’t consent. Violence is always abuse.
- slibhb 4y agoDid God deliver you this information?
- zaphirplane 4y agoStatement of absolute are always wrong What!
- Erem 4y agoBy this definition, depending on who gets to define "mistreatment", any negative reinforcement at all would count as abuse, not just corporal punishment.
- eh9 4y agoYes. Physical, emotional, or sexual mistreatment. Why would anyone need to engage in that kind of “negative reinforcement”?