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You can wipe it and install Linux and use the hardware you paid for unencumbered. So do you mean use the software you paid for? (Fair) Or am I missing a nuanc

You can wipe it and install Linux and use the hardware you paid for unencumbered. So do you mean use the software you paid for? (Fair) Or am I missing a nuance. Edit: Or are you referring to iDevices.

amelius 4y ago
Running Linux on it is not the solution, as there is no documentation. Volunteers have been reverse engineering the GPU, but they still don't know whether their assumptions are all correct. Also, is the Linux support actually official? Considering the above, I think not. I can't vote with my wallet for a company that has no clear map for the future, for my particular usecases. Yes, iDevices are another problem. And yes, paying for the software when you use only the hardware is a problem too. Too many problems with this company. I honestly can't understand why so many other hackers are happy being tethered and parent-controlled by Apple.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  > I honestly can't understand why so many other hackers are happy being tethered and parent-controlled by Apple. Obviously it varies from person to person. Some just don't care about this at all and/or don't consider it an issue. Some are just really used to it, or invested in the platforms, and don't want to waste time moving. Some will just find much worse experiences for their taste anywhere else. There are likely other personas in this story, these are just off the top of my head.
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    I haven't used Apple in 5-8 years. I prefer to build my desktops and don't use my phone much, so Android is sufficient. Frankly, I do not understand the disdain for Apple. They built their stack. That should be admired. Also, it's one ecosystem in the market. Don't like it? Buy something else.
    - EricE 4y ago
      Amazing, isn't it - people love to act like if you don't buy an Apple device they will send jack booted thugs to confiscate your non-Apple tech. Sigh...
  - amelius 4y ago
    Yes, fair, thanks for the reminder.
cassianoleal 4y ago
> You can wipe it and install Linux and use the hardware you paid for unencumbered. Not all the hardware, or at least not yet if you're on Apple Silicon.
- snazz 4y ago
  Asahi Linux works decently well on Apple silicon Macs today.
  - EricE 4y ago
    Better than Linux on the vast majority of Windows laptops due to hardware stability and less variability.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    I was responding to this: > You can wipe it and install Linux and use the hardware you paid for unencumbered. My point is, it works. In fact, it works fairly well. Some people use it as a daily driver. Not all drivers are finished though, which is what I meant by "not all the hardware". By installing Asahi you are deliberately choosing to not use the GPU, not having brightness control and a few other things are missing. With that in mind, my point stands: by installing Linux on an Apple Silicon machine, you cannot "use the hardware you paid for unencumbered."
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Apple doesn’t place any restrictions on doing this, in fact they have set it all up to make install Linux as convenient as possible without directly adding drivers to Linux. Mainline Linux can now run all the critical features of apple silicon laptops and the remaining stuff like power management is really just waiting on someone to work out what the best way to modify Linux to support it would be.

amelius 4y ago

Running Linux on it is not the solution, as there is no documentation. Volunteers have been reverse engineering the GPU, but they still don't know whether their assumptions are all correct. Also, is the Linux support actually official? Considering the above, I think not. I can't vote with my wallet for a company that has no clear map for the future, for my particular usecases. Yes, iDevices are another problem. And yes, paying for the software when you use only the hardware is a problem too. Too many problems with this company. I honestly can't understand why so many other hackers are happy being tethered and parent-controlled by Apple.

cassianoleal 4y ago
> I honestly can't understand why so many other hackers are happy being tethered and parent-controlled by Apple. Obviously it varies from person to person. Some just don't care about this at all and/or don't consider it an issue. Some are just really used to it, or invested in the platforms, and don't want to waste time moving. Some will just find much worse experiences for their taste anywhere else. There are likely other personas in this story, these are just off the top of my head.
- shanebellone 4y ago
  I haven't used Apple in 5-8 years. I prefer to build my desktops and don't use my phone much, so Android is sufficient. Frankly, I do not understand the disdain for Apple. They built their stack. That should be admired. Also, it's one ecosystem in the market. Don't like it? Buy something else.
  - EricE 4y ago
    Amazing, isn't it - people love to act like if you don't buy an Apple device they will send jack booted thugs to confiscate your non-Apple tech. Sigh...
- amelius 4y ago
  Yes, fair, thanks for the reminder.

cassianoleal 4y ago

> You can wipe it and install Linux and use the hardware you paid for unencumbered. Not all the hardware, or at least not yet if you're on Apple Silicon.

snazz 4y ago
Asahi Linux works decently well on Apple silicon Macs today.
- EricE 4y ago
  Better than Linux on the vast majority of Windows laptops due to hardware stability and less variability.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  I was responding to this: > You can wipe it and install Linux and use the hardware you paid for unencumbered. My point is, it works. In fact, it works fairly well. Some people use it as a daily driver. Not all drivers are finished though, which is what I meant by "not all the hardware". By installing Asahi you are deliberately choosing to not use the GPU, not having brightness control and a few other things are missing. With that in mind, my point stands: by installing Linux on an Apple Silicon machine, you cannot "use the hardware you paid for unencumbered."
Gigachad 4y ago
Apple doesn’t place any restrictions on doing this, in fact they have set it all up to make install Linux as convenient as possible without directly adding drivers to Linux. Mainline Linux can now run all the critical features of apple silicon laptops and the remaining stuff like power management is really just waiting on someone to work out what the best way to modify Linux to support it would be.