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> Yes, that’s right, people crusading in the name of open source–a movement intended to promote freedom to use source code–are now claiming that a neural networ

> Yes, that’s right, people crusading in the name of open source–a movement intended to promote freedom to use source code–are now claiming that a neural network, designed to save programmers the onus of re-inventing the wheel when they need code to perform programming tasks, is de facto unlawful. This is disingenuous... the issue for FOSS is the scrubbing the license off the code and then users not observing the terms copilot or whatever concealed from you... that is against copyright law. It's not a real problem? Great dump MS monorepo in there for public use.

slondr 4y ago
'Disingenuous' is a very nice way of phrasing what that line is. Especially strange coming from a site which has 'copyleft' in its name.
carom 4y ago
They need to 1) release the model weights as open source, and 2) license code produced by the model as open source. It is a derivative work of open source code. This is 100% a large corporation abusing and undermining the open source ecosystem. They can play by the rules or properly license a training dataset. People seem really eager to shill for a megacorp.
rom-antics 4y ago
> dump MS monorepo in there for public use Here's a little(?)-known fact: the leaked Windows XP source code is hosted right on GitHub. Has anyone tried typing some win32 API function prototypes and seeing if Copilot fills in the function bodies? I'm not a Copilot user or I'd try it myself.
Arainach 4y ago
Microsoft has never had a monorepo. There's a Windows monorepo, and a monorepo for chunks of Office, but even now that many teams are on Git they're still very much different repos with different build tools, different code search (maybe they fixed some of that in the last few years but none of my friends there have mentioned it if so), different coding standards, and more.
- anonymousab 4y ago
  > There's a Windows monorepo, That's mostly what folks are referring to. We can't really take Microsoft at their word about systems like copilot if they're unwilling to trust it with their crown jewel.
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slondr 4y ago

'Disingenuous' is a very nice way of phrasing what that line is. Especially strange coming from a site which has 'copyleft' in its name.

carom 4y ago

They need to 1) release the model weights as open source, and 2) license code produced by the model as open source. It is a derivative work of open source code. This is 100% a large corporation abusing and undermining the open source ecosystem. They can play by the rules or properly license a training dataset. People seem really eager to shill for a megacorp.

rom-antics 4y ago

> dump MS monorepo in there for public use Here's a little(?)-known fact: the leaked Windows XP source code is hosted right on GitHub. Has anyone tried typing some win32 API function prototypes and seeing if Copilot fills in the function bodies? I'm not a Copilot user or I'd try it myself.

Arainach 4y ago

Microsoft has never had a monorepo. There's a Windows monorepo, and a monorepo for chunks of Office, but even now that many teams are on Git they're still very much different repos with different build tools, different code search (maybe they fixed some of that in the last few years but none of my friends there have mentioned it if so), different coding standards, and more.

anonymousab 4y ago
> There's a Windows monorepo, That's mostly what folks are referring to. We can't really take Microsoft at their word about systems like copilot if they're unwilling to trust it with their crown jewel.

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