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This seems weird. No one disagrees that there are 2 biological (genetic) genders. Gender identity is something entirely else that is being actively researched.

This seems weird. No one disagrees that there are 2 biological (genetic) genders. Gender identity is something entirely else that is being actively researched. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
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- chownie 4y ago
  This is a pretty disingenuous take isn't it? Dylan Mulvaney carries tampons as a service to others who might need them because she was once asked for one in a bathroom.
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    No, because while Dylan sometimes says that, the rest of the time they talk about the miraculous changes to their body, etc, and participate in female sexual health panels. They're trying to have it both ways as convenient. If you feel that this is incorrect, go to Wiki and try to edit Rachel Levine's entry to remove the word female and you can personally see how the community views this.
    - chownie 4y ago
      Ok, so what you said was in fact untrue? Dylan says she has tampons for other women, in separate other videos she talks about changes to her body. With regard to female sexual health panels this also appears to be a fabrication. I googled this and your comment was one of the first results, unless you mean the NowThis News panel with Biden? That being a progressive news org having a media moment with the president, not a female sexual health panel as you've called it. Your last point is complete non-sequitur. You're operating from a place of discomfort and then working backwards toward rationalisation, that's much is clear from the half-truths you're telling. If there were any concrete concerns beyond your personal feelings you wouldn't feel the need to lie.
      - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        My point in this is that the official word on high and filtering down to all levels is that transwomen, males who claim to be women, are female and I think I've shown that regardless. But yes, I did have the names wrong. The White House's Lesbian day of Visibility was with Richard Levine and Charles Clymer, the two male "lesbian females" at the table. https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/90533/tims-charles-charlotte-clymer-and-richard-rachel-levine-discuss-lesbian-visibili https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/90533/tims-charles-charl... This is Dylan Mulvaney who met Biden https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/94756/disgustingly-shallow-video-from-dylan-mulvaney-day-66-of-girlhood https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/94756/disgustingly-shall... Thanks for the correction. > With regard to female sexual health panels this also appears to be a fabrication. "Rachel" Levine is the assistant health minister so that's every day for them. > Dylan says she has tampons for other women, in separate other videos she talks about changes to her body. "Her" body. Exactly. > You're operating from a place of discomfort and then working backwards toward rationalisation, It is very uncomfortable watching women being beaten https://www.gulf-insider.com/us-transgender-activists-attack-feminists-protesting-men-in-womens-prisons/ https://www.gulf-insider.com/us-transgender-activists-attack... simply for asserting their rights to single-sex spaces. I am very uncomfortable watching institutions that my daughter appreciated, such as girl guiding, being appropriated by crazy gun-toting men https://www.womenarehuman.com/women-interviewed-by-police-for-emailing-safe-guarding-concerns-about-men-in-girl-guides/ https://www.womenarehuman.com/women-interviewed-by-police-fo... and for the women who complain to be targeted by false reports and doxing. I'm horrified watching politicians give women's identities and rights away to men if they claim to be women https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-to-clarify-policy-over-trans-women-on-all-female-shortlists https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-to-c... I would be as uncomfortable watching Rachel Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal being appointed presidential advisor for Black affairs.
Godel_unicode 4y ago
This is incorrect. According to NIH there is no such thing as “biological (genetic) gender”. You’re thinking of biological sex. https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender
- deleted 4y ago
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- schroeding 4y ago
  In many languages, like German (which may be GPs native language), those two things share the same exact word, requiring modifier words like "biological" to differentiate between the two, making everything a bit confusing when crossing the language barrier.
  - neuronic 4y ago
    You're right, apologies for the mistake.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  Even that's not really cut-and-dry. I don't normally like linking to twitter, but this thread is amazing (scientific) content: https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?lang=en https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?...
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    Totally agree, I was responding to the twin assertions that gender is based in genetics and that there only being two is widely accepted.
  - fullmoon 4y ago
    It appears that way, but skirts around the gametic model of discerning biological sex that is the golden standard for other species, while elevating the status of chromosomal defects. It’s a good example how selective presentation of scientific realities can be abused to mislead. Chromosomal defects in a binary system don’t constitute a new or between-state, and it also isn’t commonly described that way: XXY (Kleinfeltner) affecting males is the mainstream position.
arockwell 4y ago
It really isn’t quite that simple. There are Intersex people who have ambiguous genitalia and there are several viable chromosome combos besides XX and XY.
- DoneWithAllThat 4y ago
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  - shrimp_emoji 4y ago
    Stop what? Using accurate information? Not ignoring the complexities of the world? That comment is absolutely correct; to make things more confusing, people whose sex appears female can turn out to have XY allosomes in some, or all[0], of their cells. 0: https://www.invitra.com/en/morris-syndrome/ https://www.invitra.com/en/morris-syndrome/
    - fullmoon 4y ago
      As the article you’ve linked states this syndrome affects males, makes them resistant to androgens, so they have an appearance of females. It doesn’t state anywhere that the patients are either female or belong to a novel category.
    - evandale 4y ago
      From your own link Morris syndrome affects males. In fact, the presence of a Y chromosome by definition means the person is of male sex and it really is as simple as that. One's appearance has no effect on their sex.
- yucky 4y ago
  Those are birth defects though. For instance, we still understand humans as being bipedal despite anomalies that prevent a tiny fraction of humans from being bipedal.
  - inetknght 4y ago
fear_and_coffee 4y ago
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shuntress 4y ago
You are incorrect in two ways. First, you are conflating sex and gender. Second, sex is a bimodal distribution rather than a fixed binary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
- fullmoon 4y ago
  Intersex is about characteristics, not biological sex.

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago

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chownie 4y ago
This is a pretty disingenuous take isn't it? Dylan Mulvaney carries tampons as a service to others who might need them because she was once asked for one in a bathroom.
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  No, because while Dylan sometimes says that, the rest of the time they talk about the miraculous changes to their body, etc, and participate in female sexual health panels. They're trying to have it both ways as convenient. If you feel that this is incorrect, go to Wiki and try to edit Rachel Levine's entry to remove the word female and you can personally see how the community views this.
  - chownie 4y ago
    Ok, so what you said was in fact untrue? Dylan says she has tampons for other women, in separate other videos she talks about changes to her body. With regard to female sexual health panels this also appears to be a fabrication. I googled this and your comment was one of the first results, unless you mean the NowThis News panel with Biden? That being a progressive news org having a media moment with the president, not a female sexual health panel as you've called it. Your last point is complete non-sequitur. You're operating from a place of discomfort and then working backwards toward rationalisation, that's much is clear from the half-truths you're telling. If there were any concrete concerns beyond your personal feelings you wouldn't feel the need to lie.
    - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
      My point in this is that the official word on high and filtering down to all levels is that transwomen, males who claim to be women, are female and I think I've shown that regardless. But yes, I did have the names wrong. The White House's Lesbian day of Visibility was with Richard Levine and Charles Clymer, the two male "lesbian females" at the table. https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/90533/tims-charles-charlotte-clymer-and-richard-rachel-levine-discuss-lesbian-visibili https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/90533/tims-charles-charl... This is Dylan Mulvaney who met Biden https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/94756/disgustingly-shallow-video-from-dylan-mulvaney-day-66-of-girlhood https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/94756/disgustingly-shall... Thanks for the correction. > With regard to female sexual health panels this also appears to be a fabrication. "Rachel" Levine is the assistant health minister so that's every day for them. > Dylan says she has tampons for other women, in separate other videos she talks about changes to her body. "Her" body. Exactly. > You're operating from a place of discomfort and then working backwards toward rationalisation, It is very uncomfortable watching women being beaten https://www.gulf-insider.com/us-transgender-activists-attack-feminists-protesting-men-in-womens-prisons/ https://www.gulf-insider.com/us-transgender-activists-attack... simply for asserting their rights to single-sex spaces. I am very uncomfortable watching institutions that my daughter appreciated, such as girl guiding, being appropriated by crazy gun-toting men https://www.womenarehuman.com/women-interviewed-by-police-for-emailing-safe-guarding-concerns-about-men-in-girl-guides/ https://www.womenarehuman.com/women-interviewed-by-police-fo... and for the women who complain to be targeted by false reports and doxing. I'm horrified watching politicians give women's identities and rights away to men if they claim to be women https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-to-clarify-policy-over-trans-women-on-all-female-shortlists https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-to-c... I would be as uncomfortable watching Rachel Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal being appointed presidential advisor for Black affairs.

Godel_unicode 4y ago

This is incorrect. According to NIH there is no such thing as “biological (genetic) gender”. You’re thinking of biological sex. https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender

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schroeding 4y ago
In many languages, like German (which may be GPs native language), those two things share the same exact word, requiring modifier words like "biological" to differentiate between the two, making everything a bit confusing when crossing the language barrier.
- neuronic 4y ago
  You're right, apologies for the mistake.
pcthrowaway 4y ago
Even that's not really cut-and-dry. I don't normally like linking to twitter, but this thread is amazing (scientific) content: https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?lang=en https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?...
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  Totally agree, I was responding to the twin assertions that gender is based in genetics and that there only being two is widely accepted.
- fullmoon 4y ago
  It appears that way, but skirts around the gametic model of discerning biological sex that is the golden standard for other species, while elevating the status of chromosomal defects. It’s a good example how selective presentation of scientific realities can be abused to mislead. Chromosomal defects in a binary system don’t constitute a new or between-state, and it also isn’t commonly described that way: XXY (Kleinfeltner) affecting males is the mainstream position.

arockwell 4y ago

It really isn’t quite that simple. There are Intersex people who have ambiguous genitalia and there are several viable chromosome combos besides XX and XY.

DoneWithAllThat 4y ago
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- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  Stop what? Using accurate information? Not ignoring the complexities of the world? That comment is absolutely correct; to make things more confusing, people whose sex appears female can turn out to have XY allosomes in some, or all[0], of their cells. 0: https://www.invitra.com/en/morris-syndrome/ https://www.invitra.com/en/morris-syndrome/
  - fullmoon 4y ago
    As the article you’ve linked states this syndrome affects males, makes them resistant to androgens, so they have an appearance of females. It doesn’t state anywhere that the patients are either female or belong to a novel category.
  - evandale 4y ago
    From your own link Morris syndrome affects males. In fact, the presence of a Y chromosome by definition means the person is of male sex and it really is as simple as that. One's appearance has no effect on their sex.
yucky 4y ago
Those are birth defects though. For instance, we still understand humans as being bipedal despite anomalies that prevent a tiny fraction of humans from being bipedal.
- inetknght 4y ago

fear_and_coffee 4y ago

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shuntress 4y ago

You are incorrect in two ways. First, you are conflating sex and gender. Second, sex is a bimodal distribution rather than a fixed binary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

fullmoon 4y ago
Intersex is about characteristics, not biological sex.