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This looks wonderful, and I can't wait for these kinds of e-ink displays to get more affordable. Looks like a perfect display for outdoors, very long trips (ba

This looks wonderful, and I can't wait for these kinds of e-ink displays to get more affordable. Looks like a perfect display for outdoors, very long trips (battery time?), long writing sessions, etc. I'd love to build a "DIY laptop" like that, but at these prices I'm likely better off with a Macbook Air... I'm already experimenting with using a heavily desaturated/monochromatic color scheme for coding (it's working surprisingly well - e.g. using bold text to differentiate keywords). I think most CLI apps are abusing color for little gain. Reading the output of some programs feels like wading through a room filled with fruit salad - the JS ecosystem is particularly bad in this regard. I'm using red in my prompt to indicate a root shell and/or an SSH session, and I think that's as far as it should go.

dainiusse 4y ago
Any theme you can share for editors?
- rollcat 4y ago
  In my dotfiles: https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/blob/0d44759/.emacs.d/themes/rollcat-mono-light-theme.el https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/blob/0d44759/.emacs.d/th... There's also a dark variant, and a "base" variant to convince Emacs not to touch colors when running in a terminal. There's also support for matching the system theme in Emacs & Terminal.app on macOS: https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/commit/b3e49ad https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/commit/b3e49ad
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sofixa 4y ago
There are off the shelf laptops with e-ink now: https://goodereader.com/blog/product/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-13-inch-dual-screen-laptop-with-e-ink https://goodereader.com/blog/product/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-1... It's technically dual screen, e-ink and OLED that rotate, but even better, you can choose the best one for the job.
- zapperdulchen 4y ago
  The one in the linked article doesn't rotate. You may mean https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-twist-e-ink-oled-laptop https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-... which will be available in summer and is pretty pricey.
  - coder543 4y ago
    $1650 isn't cheap, but it's pretty normal for the high end of mid-range ultrabooks. It's less than I paid for my M2 MacBook Air, which has neither OLED nor E-Ink. Truly high-end laptops easily go for $2500+, but it is nice that more budget-friendly (sub-$1000) options that aren't terrible do exist these days. I'm certainly excited to see reviews for that Lenovo laptop when it comes out.
- memen 4y ago
  You can't type on the e-ink side though. That would be the best, a simple laptop with an e-ink display, a good keyboard, nothing more. You could work anywhere you could also read a book!
  - coder543 4y ago
    They linked to the wrong laptop. See https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-twist-e-ink-oled-laptop https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-... The one they linked to does not have OLED or rotate, even though they claimed otherwise. Clearly they meant to link to the new version.
- lubujackson 4y ago
  Sweet! Since I started hacking on the v1 Kindle I've been waiting for this.
xcambar 4y ago
Would you share a screenshot, I'm really interested and I must not be the only one.
RadiozRadioz 4y ago
I have also noticed that about the JS ecosystem, I would also like to add emojis as an example of something I see as abused in that ecosystem. There seems to be a lot of form-over-function going on over there, I wonder what characteristic of JavaScript developers inclines them to build their apps in that way.
- esperent 4y ago
  Putting down JavaScript devs is so 2015. Haven't you got better things to do than make snarky comments belittling an entire profession?
- dotancohen 4y ago
  > There seems to be a lot of form-over-function going on over there, I > wonder what characteristic of JavaScript developers... It seems to be the combination of a low barrier to entry with the ADHD-Is-Fashionable trend.
hedora 4y ago
The really frustrating thing with this trend is that the colorful terminal apps don't bother checking if their stdout is a pipe. Inevitably, they get run in CI, and then my web browser window / text editor is full of control characters and other bullshit.
- zajio1am 4y ago
  Counterargument is that if i pipe them to e.g. grep, i do not want them lose terminal control sequences, as the output ends in terminal anyways.
  - rollcat 4y ago
    The only correct behavior is to (at the very minimum) call isatty(3), and (ideally) query terminfo for specific capabilities. If your stdout is not a terminal, and you're sending out escape codes, you're just spewing useless garbage.
    - arp242 4y ago
      > If your stdout is not a terminal, and you're sending out escape codes, you're just spewing useless garbage. That is just not the case, as the previous poster already said. "prog | grep foo" outputs to the terminal. From prog's perspective it doesn't, but it does. Do you want escape sequences in there? Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Even "prog | less" outputs to the terminal, indirectly, and less can interpret escape sequences. "Always unconditionally output escape sequences" is wrong, but "always unconditionally disable them with isatty()" is also wrong. What a reasonable default is depends on the type of application and how it's likely to be used.
      - rollcat 4y ago
        > What a reasonable default is depends on the type of application and how it's likely to be used. No default (other than calling isatty) is reasonable, because you don't know (and you don't want to know) what your output is being piped through. If you really must, add a flag to force enable/disable escape codes. > "prog | grep foo" outputs to the terminal. From prog's perspective it doesn't, but it does. Do you want escape sequences in there? Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. What happens if "prog" outputs an escape sequence (e.g. set color) on one line, and outputs another one (reset color) a few lines down? grep might match one or the other, or none, or something in the middle. grep might want to output its own escape sequences (like it can do for highlighting a match). "prog" can't know what grep could possibly want to output, without inspecting grep's entire argument line, and effectively re-implementing all of grep - bug-for-bug, compensating for differences in GNU, BSD, BusyBox, etc. There is no sane way to handle every edge case here, and you will get frustrated every time you hit one. > Even "prog | less" outputs to the terminal, indirectly, and less can interpret escape sequences. $ echo hello | less > hello.txt $ cat hello.txt hello It can, but should it? http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/ http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/
ytdytvhxgydvhh 4y ago
> I can't wait for these kinds of e-ink displays to get more affordable. Is there any indication that will happen? I’ve been impressed by the occasional E-ink hack too but displays larger than e-reader sizes seem to not drop in price. This project caught my eye 2 or 3 years ago but it looks like the display used hasn’t come down in price at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323
- 3np 4y ago
  For some individuals, that price-point is not a blocker (:
tomxor 4y ago
> I think most CLI apps are abusing color for little gain. Reading the output of some programs feels like wading through a room filled with fruit salad - the JS ecosystem is particularly bad in this regard. I'm using red in my prompt to indicate a root shell and/or an SSH session, and I think that's as far as it should go. I feel the same way. I still want colour on the CLI, but tend to configure my most commonly used tools and par back the colour almost completely, then use it very selectively for things that I want to stand out. I think the only case it really makes sense to have colour salad is syntax highlighting, there's a lot of different types of things going on and the colour really does help to differentiate more easily. I also find sticking to 16 ANSI colours really helps to manage the chaos and enforces consistency.

dainiusse 4y ago

Any theme you can share for editors?

rollcat 4y ago
In my dotfiles: https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/blob/0d44759/.emacs.d/themes/rollcat-mono-light-theme.el https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/blob/0d44759/.emacs.d/th... There's also a dark variant, and a "base" variant to convince Emacs not to touch colors when running in a terminal. There's also support for matching the system theme in Emacs & Terminal.app on macOS: https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/commit/b3e49ad https://github.com/rollcat/dotfiles/commit/b3e49ad

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sofixa 4y ago

There are off the shelf laptops with e-ink now: https://goodereader.com/blog/product/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-13-inch-dual-screen-laptop-with-e-ink https://goodereader.com/blog/product/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-1... It's technically dual screen, e-ink and OLED that rotate, but even better, you can choose the best one for the job.

zapperdulchen 4y ago
The one in the linked article doesn't rotate. You may mean https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-twist-e-ink-oled-laptop https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-... which will be available in summer and is pretty pricey.
- coder543 4y ago
  $1650 isn't cheap, but it's pretty normal for the high end of mid-range ultrabooks. It's less than I paid for my M2 MacBook Air, which has neither OLED nor E-Ink. Truly high-end laptops easily go for $2500+, but it is nice that more budget-friendly (sub-$1000) options that aren't terrible do exist these days. I'm certainly excited to see reviews for that Lenovo laptop when it comes out.
memen 4y ago
You can't type on the e-ink side though. That would be the best, a simple laptop with an e-ink display, a good keyboard, nothing more. You could work anywhere you could also read a book!
- coder543 4y ago
  They linked to the wrong laptop. See https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-twist-e-ink-oled-laptop https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-... The one they linked to does not have OLED or rotate, even though they claimed otherwise. Clearly they meant to link to the new version.
lubujackson 4y ago
Sweet! Since I started hacking on the v1 Kindle I've been waiting for this.

xcambar 4y ago

Would you share a screenshot, I'm really interested and I must not be the only one.

RadiozRadioz 4y ago

I have also noticed that about the JS ecosystem, I would also like to add emojis as an example of something I see as abused in that ecosystem. There seems to be a lot of form-over-function going on over there, I wonder what characteristic of JavaScript developers inclines them to build their apps in that way.

esperent 4y ago
Putting down JavaScript devs is so 2015. Haven't you got better things to do than make snarky comments belittling an entire profession?
dotancohen 4y ago
> There seems to be a lot of form-over-function going on over there, I > wonder what characteristic of JavaScript developers... It seems to be the combination of a low barrier to entry with the ADHD-Is-Fashionable trend.

hedora 4y ago

The really frustrating thing with this trend is that the colorful terminal apps don't bother checking if their stdout is a pipe. Inevitably, they get run in CI, and then my web browser window / text editor is full of control characters and other bullshit.

zajio1am 4y ago
Counterargument is that if i pipe them to e.g. grep, i do not want them lose terminal control sequences, as the output ends in terminal anyways.
- rollcat 4y ago
  The only correct behavior is to (at the very minimum) call isatty(3), and (ideally) query terminfo for specific capabilities. If your stdout is not a terminal, and you're sending out escape codes, you're just spewing useless garbage.
  - arp242 4y ago
    > If your stdout is not a terminal, and you're sending out escape codes, you're just spewing useless garbage. That is just not the case, as the previous poster already said. "prog | grep foo" outputs to the terminal. From prog's perspective it doesn't, but it does. Do you want escape sequences in there? Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Even "prog | less" outputs to the terminal, indirectly, and less can interpret escape sequences. "Always unconditionally output escape sequences" is wrong, but "always unconditionally disable them with isatty()" is also wrong. What a reasonable default is depends on the type of application and how it's likely to be used.
    - rollcat 4y ago
      > What a reasonable default is depends on the type of application and how it's likely to be used. No default (other than calling isatty) is reasonable, because you don't know (and you don't want to know) what your output is being piped through. If you really must, add a flag to force enable/disable escape codes. > "prog | grep foo" outputs to the terminal. From prog's perspective it doesn't, but it does. Do you want escape sequences in there? Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. What happens if "prog" outputs an escape sequence (e.g. set color) on one line, and outputs another one (reset color) a few lines down? grep might match one or the other, or none, or something in the middle. grep might want to output its own escape sequences (like it can do for highlighting a match). "prog" can't know what grep could possibly want to output, without inspecting grep's entire argument line, and effectively re-implementing all of grep - bug-for-bug, compensating for differences in GNU, BSD, BusyBox, etc. There is no sane way to handle every edge case here, and you will get frustrated every time you hit one. > Even "prog | less" outputs to the terminal, indirectly, and less can interpret escape sequences. $ echo hello | less > hello.txt $ cat hello.txt hello It can, but should it? http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/ http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/

ytdytvhxgydvhh 4y ago

> I can't wait for these kinds of e-ink displays to get more affordable. Is there any indication that will happen? I’ve been impressed by the occasional E-ink hack too but displays larger than e-reader sizes seem to not drop in price. This project caught my eye 2 or 3 years ago but it looks like the display used hasn’t come down in price at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323

3np 4y ago
For some individuals, that price-point is not a blocker (:

tomxor 4y ago

> I think most CLI apps are abusing color for little gain. Reading the output of some programs feels like wading through a room filled with fruit salad - the JS ecosystem is particularly bad in this regard. I'm using red in my prompt to indicate a root shell and/or an SSH session, and I think that's as far as it should go. I feel the same way. I still want colour on the CLI, but tend to configure my most commonly used tools and par back the colour almost completely, then use it very selectively for things that I want to stand out. I think the only case it really makes sense to have colour salad is syntax highlighting, there's a lot of different types of things going on and the colour really does help to differentiate more easily. I also find sticking to 16 ANSI colours really helps to manage the chaos and enforces consistency.