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In this context, I think strong means competent.

by dqpb 4y ago

spoiler 4y ago
I interpreted is as a strong character (or mind); one that's not easily shaken (mentally) and stable. I would certainly include competence as contributing to a strong character
- lanstin 4y ago
  Like Godel and Turing, right?
marcosdumay 4y ago
And then you look again at the GP, and see that the only reasonable interpretation of "strong" that phrase can have has no relation at all with competence. Or worse, because bad times create broken people. And while broken people can stand adversity, they are much less able to create something non-broken.
- spoiler 4y ago
  Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… Also, whether hardships makes or breaks you depends largely on your outlook and coping skills (this comes from someone who's had CPTSD and had to stop suicidal idealisation and learn coping skills in my late 20s). All skills diminish, if unused. Having too easy times means there's less need to "cope" It's very likely most millennials have poor coping skills due to the predominantly emotionally neglectful parenting styles the previous generation
  - marcosdumay 4y ago
    > Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… When people say that phrase today, "bad" literally means WWII.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    > Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… I think that in apocalyptically bad times good people (the "weak") get taken advantage of by ruthless assholes (the "strong") who do better when they act like selfish monsters, but those kinds of people just prolong the bad times. The "strong" just fight amongst themselves while oppressing everyone else. "Might makes right" doesn't result in favorable outcomes, just tyranny. Bad times can tempt or force people into becoming monsters, but you can't have good times with monsters running things. Good times allow (and insist) that folks behave like a civilized people who look out for each other and that not only helps promote future good times and advancement but also creates an environment where genuinely vulnerable people who couldn't survive the bad times can thrive and contribute. When people are fighting for survival they don't have time to invent new cool things and learn about how the universe works. I guess after a while the good times allow some of us to get annoyed by all the good people who keep telling everyone we have to be nice to others and there's time to look around at all the vulnerable people who couldn't survive without our support and wonder if we'd just be better off without them, but I can't imagine that working out better in the long term. Perhaps things play out somewhat the same in less than apocalyptically bad times too.
lanstin 4y ago
And extremely weak people can be sublimely competent. weird but true. You really just cannot rank people on a linear ordering.

In this context, I think strong means competent.

by dqpb 4y ago

In this context, I think strong means competent.

I interpreted is as a strong character (or mind); one that's not easily shaken (mentally) and stable. I would certainly include competence as contributing to a strong character

lanstin 4y ago
Like Godel and Turing, right?

marcosdumay 4y ago

And then you look again at the GP, and see that the only reasonable interpretation of "strong" that phrase can have has no relation at all with competence. Or worse, because bad times create broken people. And while broken people can stand adversity, they are much less able to create something non-broken.

spoiler 4y ago
Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… Also, whether hardships makes or breaks you depends largely on your outlook and coping skills (this comes from someone who's had CPTSD and had to stop suicidal idealisation and learn coping skills in my late 20s). All skills diminish, if unused. Having too easy times means there's less need to "cope" It's very likely most millennials have poor coping skills due to the predominantly emotionally neglectful parenting styles the previous generation
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  > Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… When people say that phrase today, "bad" literally means WWII.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… I think that in apocalyptically bad times good people (the "weak") get taken advantage of by ruthless assholes (the "strong") who do better when they act like selfish monsters, but those kinds of people just prolong the bad times. The "strong" just fight amongst themselves while oppressing everyone else. "Might makes right" doesn't result in favorable outcomes, just tyranny. Bad times can tempt or force people into becoming monsters, but you can't have good times with monsters running things. Good times allow (and insist) that folks behave like a civilized people who look out for each other and that not only helps promote future good times and advancement but also creates an environment where genuinely vulnerable people who couldn't survive the bad times can thrive and contribute. When people are fighting for survival they don't have time to invent new cool things and learn about how the universe works. I guess after a while the good times allow some of us to get annoyed by all the good people who keep telling everyone we have to be nice to others and there's time to look around at all the vulnerable people who couldn't survive without our support and wonder if we'd just be better off without them, but I can't imagine that working out better in the long term. Perhaps things play out somewhat the same in less than apocalyptically bad times too.

lanstin 4y ago

And extremely weak people can be sublimely competent. weird but true. You really just cannot rank people on a linear ordering.