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> The difference is that current Google is full of non-tech non-sales people who fight with eachother to reorganize tech people who are trying to build things.

by marvin 4y ago

> The difference is that current Google is full of non-tech non-sales people who fight with eachother to reorganize tech people who are trying to build things. Is this true? If so, how can a historically disruptive and innovtive tech company like Google make that kind of blatant mistake?

DarkNova6 4y ago
For companies of this size this is the norm, not the exception.
neel8986 4y ago
Google's sole purpose now is to increase profit by > 15% till eternity. No innovative tech can give >15% growth in profit every year like a clockwork. So they attracted bunch of number pushers who kept on putting more and more ads in youtube and search. They started chasing Amazon or Apple in Cloud or Phone hardware. They became 100% competition focussed and completely ignored their strength. They completely forgot that they are sitting on the next goldmine like LLM. It baffles me the the company which invented Transformer and has the worlds largest index can not build something like ChatGPT. But that is not going increase their profit in the next quarterly earning.
- zwily 4y ago
  They say they have a better ChatGPT, but it’s too dangerous to let into the hands of the genpop.
Redoubts 4y ago
Growing past thousands of people is very hard to do “correctly”. Maybe it’s not even possible.
BurningFrog 4y ago
Large organizations are pulled very strongly toward mediocrity. What's unique about Google is not that they ended up there. It's how they avoided it for so long.
SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
It was a response to real issues that had to be addressed. When 3 different teams ship 3 different chat apps over the course of just 5 years, that’s the kind of thing that typically signals more leadership and better organization is needed.
- ssnistfajen 4y ago
  Doesn't seem like they've addressed it yet based on the Meet/Hangout fiasco that is still unravelling. Mid-2010's Google was already showing signs of corporate lethargy.
sah2ed 4y ago
That's because of something called the institutional imperative https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14287430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14287430
ssnistfajen 4y ago
Natural end stage of organization growth.

by marvin 4y ago

DarkNova6 4y ago

For companies of this size this is the norm, not the exception.

neel8986 4y ago

Google's sole purpose now is to increase profit by > 15% till eternity. No innovative tech can give >15% growth in profit every year like a clockwork. So they attracted bunch of number pushers who kept on putting more and more ads in youtube and search. They started chasing Amazon or Apple in Cloud or Phone hardware. They became 100% competition focussed and completely ignored their strength. They completely forgot that they are sitting on the next goldmine like LLM. It baffles me the the company which invented Transformer and has the worlds largest index can not build something like ChatGPT. But that is not going increase their profit in the next quarterly earning.

zwily 4y ago
They say they have a better ChatGPT, but it’s too dangerous to let into the hands of the genpop.

Redoubts 4y ago

Growing past thousands of people is very hard to do “correctly”. Maybe it’s not even possible.

BurningFrog 4y ago

Large organizations are pulled very strongly toward mediocrity. What's unique about Google is not that they ended up there. It's how they avoided it for so long.

SpicyLemonZest 4y ago

It was a response to real issues that had to be addressed. When 3 different teams ship 3 different chat apps over the course of just 5 years, that’s the kind of thing that typically signals more leadership and better organization is needed.

ssnistfajen 4y ago
Doesn't seem like they've addressed it yet based on the Meet/Hangout fiasco that is still unravelling. Mid-2010's Google was already showing signs of corporate lethargy.

sah2ed 4y ago

That's because of something called the institutional imperative https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14287430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14287430

ssnistfajen 4y ago

Natural end stage of organization growth.