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> Firstly, attrition, simply don't replace those that leave Nobody is retiring - why would you, you get a fat pay cheque and once you get out of the meat grind
by shapefrog 4y ago
> Firstly, attrition, simply don't replace those that leave
Nobody is retiring - why would you, you get a fat pay cheque and once you get out of the meat grinder Jr levels life is pretty good. Oh and if they fire you rather than you retiring, they have to pay you another stack of cash and keep those options that vest in a few years.
"Seeing people posting about being laid off after 30 years of employment at Microsoft is a great example of corporate loyalty." - is this just a clean out of the expensive old folks after the hiring spree of late? Is it last in first out or first in first out? These are much more interesting discussions.
- yodsanklai 4y ago> Nobody is retiring - why would you Turnover rates in these companies are pretty high! Surprisingly many employees leave after 1-2 years.
- IshKebab 4y agoYeah but are those the good employees?
- bmcfeeley 4y agoProbably not, which is why an attrition strategy might work for both downsizing and trimming the fat, as the less motivated/willing to drink the "kool-aid" are filtered out and not replaced.
- Der_Einzige 4y agoIf you can get offers anywhere you want repeatedly, your most likely pretty good at least at leetcoding or at cheating on leetcode interviews.
- pm90 4y agoI would be surprised if they let go Senior Staff/Principal engineers.
- redleader55 4y agoMeta did, I think MSFT and GOOG will do as well. It has to be balanced among all sorts of groups otherwise the company is liable to be sued.
- CSMastermind 4y agoUnder what law would you sue for some job roles being affected and others not?
- theGnuMe 4y agoThere are protected classes. For example if you want to layoff anyone over age 40 for example you've got to be above board. Whole departments or groups though, fair game.
- yodsanklai 4y agoHigher-level engineers are evaluated like anybody else, and they need to meet their very high expectations. If they don't, they don't get a free pass.
- 2143 4y ago> Is it last in first out or first in last out? Aren't they the same?
- shapefrog 4y agoCorrected!
- vineyardmike 4y ago> Is it last in first out or first in first out? I have seen almost no one actually talk about who was impacted on these threads. I was in Nest, and <1yr tenure, and I was let go. i don't know about any co-workers, but most of mine had >7yrs tenure, except me, and many were staff.
- shapefrog 4y agoSorry to hear, I hope you find your feet (if you are even a little off balance) again quickly!
- vineyardmike 4y agoThank you for the kind words, it was certainly an unexpected day!
- lrem 4y ago> once you get out of the meat grinder Jr levels life is pretty good Life is good, but I don't look back at the Jr levels as a meat grinder. In many aspects, obviously excluding money, life was way better back then.
- theGnuMe 4y agoIBM did this and got in trouble. I imagine Xoogler lawyers will review this. There is always a paper trail.