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Meat tastes really good. I think there are many people who want to eat less meat but really enjoy meat. I am one of those people.

jononomo 4y ago
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- Spivak 4y ago
  I know the new studies that walk back the "read meat is bad for your health" but I haven't heard anything about the environmental impact which puts beef at about 10x worse than chicken and 50x worse than tofu.
- chollida1 4y ago
  > It tastes great, Agreed:) > it is the healthiest possible food, and it is the most environmentally friendly option. These two require a huge citation. I've never heard of meat being the most healthy food and I've only ever heard of how its one of the worst foods for the environment due to the huge amount of land and water it takes to grow. I've always grown up learning that greens(vegetables are the healthiest food you can eat). What citations would you put forward to show that meat isf the most environmentally friendly food you can eat and the healthiest food you can eat? I found this: https://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/study-environmental-impact-meat-vs-veggies-staggering/#:~:text=The%20environmental%20impact%20of%20meat,the%20water%20impact%20of%20nuts https://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/study-environment.... > The environmental impact of meat versus vegetables is staggering. A serving size of meat compared to a serving size of vegetables is linked to 20 times more greenhouse gas emissions. It also takes 100 times the amount of land as consuming vegetables. Unprocessed red meat has twice the water impact of nuts.
- navierstokess 4y ago
  Some vegans believe that it is unethical to kill animals, and that they should have the same rights as us. Of course, they're wrong because animals aren't able to think. Others believe that meat is bad for the environment, however I don't know if that is correct as I haven't done any research on the topic.
  - evilduck 4y ago
    > Of course, they're wrong because animals aren't able to think. and you know this by what mechanism?
  - issa 4y ago
    I don't think I've ever heard anyone suggest that "animals aren't able to think" before. Could you please explain what you could possibly mean by that?
  - mythrwy 4y ago
    If not being able to think was justification for eating something, well, there's a coworker I have, but he'd probably taste bad.
  - Camus134 4y ago
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  - slothtrop 4y ago
    Animals are mostly sentient. The degree of "consciousness" is debated. Sardines don't even have a cerebral cortex, which to me puts them on the level of insects - vegans might object, but they won't object to squashing flies and using insecticides. As for the environment, depends on the animal - this is usually about methane (from cows) and land encroachment (also, because of soybean crops or whatever).
    - reducesuffering 4y ago
      Vegans absolutely generally object to killing flies… Many won’t even steal the work of bees
      - slothtrop 4y ago
        If they really did, you'd expect to see calls to mitigate insect deaths as part of their usual dialog. They're apathetic. If you ask them, ostensibly they might object to killing insects to stay consistent, but they won't bring it up. THat's pretty much in line with naturally expected behavior, because intuitively we don't expect much from insects.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > it is the most environmentally friendly option Its not. You need 30 kg of grain or other edible product to make just 1 kg of meat. We are literally turning more food to less food. An unrelated statistic showed that if the world has increased its meat consumption just a little bit more, we would run out of food. The conversion rate is that bad. ... Context: https://www.worldanimalprotection.us/blogs/hidden-driver-fac https://www.worldanimalprotection.us/blogs/hidden-driver-fac... > It is estimated that livestock consume 70% of the grain grown in the US, and that half of the water consumed in the US is used to grow grain for cattle
  - base698 4y ago
    By protein content it's a bit better for beef. 1kg of corn has 32g protein. 1kg of beef has 260g of protein.
    - comte7092 4y ago
      The point was that you need 30 kg of corn to make 1 kg of beef. Therefore 32g * 30 = 960g of corn protein to create 260g of beef protein.
      - bequanna 4y ago
        You’re missing the point. There is always some efficiency loss at every stage, but we’re turning something that is not ideal for human consumption (conventional field corn) to something that is very palatable.
        comte7092 4y ago
        No I get the point, your point misses the opportunity cost of the land that was used to raise animal feed, it could be used to grow any number of other crops for human consumption. That is unless you are of the belief that humans have an innate need to consume beef specifically.
  - nightski 4y ago
- gpvos 4y ago
  1) Agree; 2) Fine, I'll give you that; 3) Spectacularly false.
- TheRealNGenius 4y ago
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danjoredd 4y ago
Agreed. My family has a long history of cardiovascular problems so I am trying to cut down on red meat myself to possibly extend my life...but dangit I want some chicken fried steak and cheeseburgers. I might use impossible burgers to satiate my cravings in a heart-healthy way, but it just isn't the same.
- maury91 4y ago
  Chicken is not red meat, and also it's an healthy meat ( not sure if in USA chickens are pumped with weird stuff that makes them unhealthy ), you can make a light version of schnitzel by using chicken breast ( mostly protein, low fat ), some healthy oil like EVO oil to shallow fry it, and you should be good ( also if you are worried about cholesterol you can avoid eggs and use other ingredients like oil to make the breadcrumbs/panko/flour/semola stick to the meat ) PS: I'm not a doctor, to my knowledge this is a healthy dish but if you have any health issue I recommend first talking with someone with a specialisation to know how much is healthy and much you can eat of it
  - User23 4y ago
    You can trim, slice, and hammer pork tenderloin as another way to get a fairly low fat schnitzel. Regarding cholesterol, the link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol isn’t very strong. As far as I know unless someone is following specific medical advice from their own provider eggs do not need to be restricted.
    - maury91 4y ago
      Yes, that is true, if your body is healthy the two type of cholesterol ( LDL and HDL ) contained in foods should balance each other and you will not have cholesterol problems. Some people can have medical conditions and can eat maximum ~3 eggs/week. I can't know if OP is one of those people, this is why I suggested a way to avoid cholesterol rich ingredients. Edit: replaced "have cholesterol rich ingredients" with "avoid ..."
    - idiotsecant 4y ago
stronglikedan 4y ago
Me too, and I believe OP is just saying that it's better to substitute your nutrition with other non-meat whole foods, instead of substituting it with heavily processed fake meat. And I agree.
slothtrop 4y ago
I eat less (almost no red meat), but that is as far as I'll go. Taste is one thing, but also the high quality proteins and nutrition, plus I don't see the problem in killing animals in and of itself. I can't replicate this calorie-per-calorie strictly with veg without supplementation, nor do I feel as good. That approach doesn't seem "green" or financially viable for everyone, notwithstanding that some people do better on vegan diets than others. As far as I can tell, modest consumption is best for optimal health, by virtue that replacing them with.
TheRealNGenius 4y ago
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HWR_14 4y ago
Meat tastes really good. That does not imply that plant-based pseudo-meat tastes better than plant-based recipes designed to use, not hide, the plant flavors.
- japaneseminisub 4y ago
  It's so strange isn't it, there are so many vegetarian dishes that are delicious. I've never understood the need to use a replacement that's worse across the board. I wonder if it's a cultural thing, like "I want a steak"
  - DangitBobby 4y ago
    If you become a vegetarian in the US, you will come to appreciate that almost no mains offered in any "American" restaurant are without meat. If you go to a popular American restaurant that your friends picked, you are lucky to have 1 non-salad non-side option. For whatever reason, our culture has decided that if it doesn't have meat, it barely qualifies as a meal. As a result, high quality vegetarian food must be aquired by seeking out ethnic food, seeking out veg friendly places, or learning to cook.
JimBlackwood 4y ago
But then in your effort to eat less meat, would you replace it with plant-based alternatives? Personally, I cook without any alternatives and just make proper dishes with no meat. Then, once in a while, I’ll get some better locally sourced meat and make a great meat based dish.
- somehnguy 4y ago
  > But then in your effort to eat less meat, would you replace it with plant-based alternatives? Yes, 100%. I like meat, and meat based dishes. I’ve never had a vegetable based dish that compares to even something similar but containing meat. I feel like when meat alternatives are discussed this option of just making vegetable based dishes always comes up. And I think most people agree with me here - meat makes them better across the board. If it didn’t this market wouldn’t exist and people buy much less meat. As I’m unwilling to switch completely to vegetable based dishes, meat alternatives are the next best option.
sixstringtheory 4y ago
As someone who enjoys meat well enough… I realized a while ago that meat itself doesn’t have that great of a flavor, it can be downright bland. The flavor comes from the seasonings and spices they are typically prepared with. Which are either: a) salt or b) something that came from a plant.
- DuckFeathers 4y ago
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jononomo 4y ago

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Spivak 4y ago
I know the new studies that walk back the "read meat is bad for your health" but I haven't heard anything about the environmental impact which puts beef at about 10x worse than chicken and 50x worse than tofu.
chollida1 4y ago
> It tastes great, Agreed:) > it is the healthiest possible food, and it is the most environmentally friendly option. These two require a huge citation. I've never heard of meat being the most healthy food and I've only ever heard of how its one of the worst foods for the environment due to the huge amount of land and water it takes to grow. I've always grown up learning that greens(vegetables are the healthiest food you can eat). What citations would you put forward to show that meat isf the most environmentally friendly food you can eat and the healthiest food you can eat? I found this: https://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/study-environmental-impact-meat-vs-veggies-staggering/#:~:text=The%20environmental%20impact%20of%20meat,the%20water%20impact%20of%20nuts https://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/study-environment.... > The environmental impact of meat versus vegetables is staggering. A serving size of meat compared to a serving size of vegetables is linked to 20 times more greenhouse gas emissions. It also takes 100 times the amount of land as consuming vegetables. Unprocessed red meat has twice the water impact of nuts.
navierstokess 4y ago
Some vegans believe that it is unethical to kill animals, and that they should have the same rights as us. Of course, they're wrong because animals aren't able to think. Others believe that meat is bad for the environment, however I don't know if that is correct as I haven't done any research on the topic.
- evilduck 4y ago
  > Of course, they're wrong because animals aren't able to think. and you know this by what mechanism?
- issa 4y ago
  I don't think I've ever heard anyone suggest that "animals aren't able to think" before. Could you please explain what you could possibly mean by that?
- mythrwy 4y ago
  If not being able to think was justification for eating something, well, there's a coworker I have, but he'd probably taste bad.
- Camus134 4y ago
  [dead]
- slothtrop 4y ago
  Animals are mostly sentient. The degree of "consciousness" is debated. Sardines don't even have a cerebral cortex, which to me puts them on the level of insects - vegans might object, but they won't object to squashing flies and using insecticides. As for the environment, depends on the animal - this is usually about methane (from cows) and land encroachment (also, because of soybean crops or whatever).
  - reducesuffering 4y ago
    Vegans absolutely generally object to killing flies… Many won’t even steal the work of bees
    - slothtrop 4y ago
      If they really did, you'd expect to see calls to mitigate insect deaths as part of their usual dialog. They're apathetic. If you ask them, ostensibly they might object to killing insects to stay consistent, but they won't bring it up. THat's pretty much in line with naturally expected behavior, because intuitively we don't expect much from insects.
unity1001 4y ago
> it is the most environmentally friendly option Its not. You need 30 kg of grain or other edible product to make just 1 kg of meat. We are literally turning more food to less food. An unrelated statistic showed that if the world has increased its meat consumption just a little bit more, we would run out of food. The conversion rate is that bad. ... Context: https://www.worldanimalprotection.us/blogs/hidden-driver-fac https://www.worldanimalprotection.us/blogs/hidden-driver-fac... > It is estimated that livestock consume 70% of the grain grown in the US, and that half of the water consumed in the US is used to grow grain for cattle
- base698 4y ago
  By protein content it's a bit better for beef. 1kg of corn has 32g protein. 1kg of beef has 260g of protein.
  - comte7092 4y ago
    The point was that you need 30 kg of corn to make 1 kg of beef. Therefore 32g * 30 = 960g of corn protein to create 260g of beef protein.
    - bequanna 4y ago
      You’re missing the point. There is always some efficiency loss at every stage, but we’re turning something that is not ideal for human consumption (conventional field corn) to something that is very palatable.
      - comte7092 4y ago
        No I get the point, your point misses the opportunity cost of the land that was used to raise animal feed, it could be used to grow any number of other crops for human consumption. That is unless you are of the belief that humans have an innate need to consume beef specifically.
- nightski 4y ago
gpvos 4y ago
1) Agree; 2) Fine, I'll give you that; 3) Spectacularly false.
TheRealNGenius 4y ago
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danjoredd 4y ago

Agreed. My family has a long history of cardiovascular problems so I am trying to cut down on red meat myself to possibly extend my life...but dangit I want some chicken fried steak and cheeseburgers. I might use impossible burgers to satiate my cravings in a heart-healthy way, but it just isn't the same.

maury91 4y ago
Chicken is not red meat, and also it's an healthy meat ( not sure if in USA chickens are pumped with weird stuff that makes them unhealthy ), you can make a light version of schnitzel by using chicken breast ( mostly protein, low fat ), some healthy oil like EVO oil to shallow fry it, and you should be good ( also if you are worried about cholesterol you can avoid eggs and use other ingredients like oil to make the breadcrumbs/panko/flour/semola stick to the meat ) PS: I'm not a doctor, to my knowledge this is a healthy dish but if you have any health issue I recommend first talking with someone with a specialisation to know how much is healthy and much you can eat of it
- User23 4y ago
  You can trim, slice, and hammer pork tenderloin as another way to get a fairly low fat schnitzel. Regarding cholesterol, the link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol isn’t very strong. As far as I know unless someone is following specific medical advice from their own provider eggs do not need to be restricted.
  - maury91 4y ago
    Yes, that is true, if your body is healthy the two type of cholesterol ( LDL and HDL ) contained in foods should balance each other and you will not have cholesterol problems. Some people can have medical conditions and can eat maximum ~3 eggs/week. I can't know if OP is one of those people, this is why I suggested a way to avoid cholesterol rich ingredients. Edit: replaced "have cholesterol rich ingredients" with "avoid ..."
  - idiotsecant 4y ago

stronglikedan 4y ago

Me too, and I believe OP is just saying that it's better to substitute your nutrition with other non-meat whole foods, instead of substituting it with heavily processed fake meat. And I agree.

slothtrop 4y ago

I eat less (almost no red meat), but that is as far as I'll go. Taste is one thing, but also the high quality proteins and nutrition, plus I don't see the problem in killing animals in and of itself. I can't replicate this calorie-per-calorie strictly with veg without supplementation, nor do I feel as good. That approach doesn't seem "green" or financially viable for everyone, notwithstanding that some people do better on vegan diets than others. As far as I can tell, modest consumption is best for optimal health, by virtue that replacing them with.

TheRealNGenius 4y ago

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HWR_14 4y ago

Meat tastes really good. That does not imply that plant-based pseudo-meat tastes better than plant-based recipes designed to use, not hide, the plant flavors.

japaneseminisub 4y ago
It's so strange isn't it, there are so many vegetarian dishes that are delicious. I've never understood the need to use a replacement that's worse across the board. I wonder if it's a cultural thing, like "I want a steak"
- DangitBobby 4y ago
  If you become a vegetarian in the US, you will come to appreciate that almost no mains offered in any "American" restaurant are without meat. If you go to a popular American restaurant that your friends picked, you are lucky to have 1 non-salad non-side option. For whatever reason, our culture has decided that if it doesn't have meat, it barely qualifies as a meal. As a result, high quality vegetarian food must be aquired by seeking out ethnic food, seeking out veg friendly places, or learning to cook.

JimBlackwood 4y ago

But then in your effort to eat less meat, would you replace it with plant-based alternatives? Personally, I cook without any alternatives and just make proper dishes with no meat. Then, once in a while, I’ll get some better locally sourced meat and make a great meat based dish.

somehnguy 4y ago
> But then in your effort to eat less meat, would you replace it with plant-based alternatives? Yes, 100%. I like meat, and meat based dishes. I’ve never had a vegetable based dish that compares to even something similar but containing meat. I feel like when meat alternatives are discussed this option of just making vegetable based dishes always comes up. And I think most people agree with me here - meat makes them better across the board. If it didn’t this market wouldn’t exist and people buy much less meat. As I’m unwilling to switch completely to vegetable based dishes, meat alternatives are the next best option.

sixstringtheory 4y ago

As someone who enjoys meat well enough… I realized a while ago that meat itself doesn’t have that great of a flavor, it can be downright bland. The flavor comes from the seasonings and spices they are typically prepared with. Which are either: a) salt or b) something that came from a plant.

DuckFeathers 4y ago
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