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> If I were a corporation looking for an LLM for some product feature, I would absolutely go for the one with more "woke" opinions, even if if resulted in a wor

> If I were a corporation looking for an LLM for some product feature, I would absolutely go for the one with more "woke" opinions, even if if resulted in a worse customer experience. How about instead of preferring the LLM with "woke" opinions, you would prefer an LLM that was simply trained to avoid controversial topics? That way, you could use it for your product while still avoiding both bias and media/government backlash. Are you aware that by being biased towards "woke" opinions you are basically alienating about 50% of the population or so?

scarmig 4y ago
It would depend on what exactly I was building. Maybe it needs to be able to generate texts on controversial topics. I agree that it alienates people, but the choice is less between alienating half and alienating no one but more alienating half and alienating another half that includes the media and the law. I'd use the same strategy if I worked in China: business is business and money trumps theoretical concerns about free speech and open dialogue.
- wizeman 4y ago
  > the choice is less between alienating half and alienating no one but more alienating half and alienating another half that includes the media and the law So you're saying that if your LLM is unbiased then you are alienating the other half that includes the media and the law? That's actually very telling.
  - scarmig 4y ago
    Indeed. Though, in fairness, an unbiased model would probably end up alienating closer to 100% of people instead of any particular half of them.
    - wizeman 4y ago
      > Though, in fairness, an unbiased model would probably end up alienating closer to 100% of people instead of any particular half of them. Why?
      - scarmig 4y ago
        No one has a total claim on truth; worse than that, people who have wildly diverging opinions from truth are more likely to hold them very strongly and will be upset when the model tells them they're wrong.
freejazz 4y ago
That's what this is, you and the Trumpers are just calling it "woke"

scarmig 4y ago

It would depend on what exactly I was building. Maybe it needs to be able to generate texts on controversial topics. I agree that it alienates people, but the choice is less between alienating half and alienating no one but more alienating half and alienating another half that includes the media and the law. I'd use the same strategy if I worked in China: business is business and money trumps theoretical concerns about free speech and open dialogue.

wizeman 4y ago
> the choice is less between alienating half and alienating no one but more alienating half and alienating another half that includes the media and the law So you're saying that if your LLM is unbiased then you are alienating the other half that includes the media and the law? That's actually very telling.
- scarmig 4y ago
  Indeed. Though, in fairness, an unbiased model would probably end up alienating closer to 100% of people instead of any particular half of them.
  - wizeman 4y ago
    > Though, in fairness, an unbiased model would probably end up alienating closer to 100% of people instead of any particular half of them. Why?
    - scarmig 4y ago
      No one has a total claim on truth; worse than that, people who have wildly diverging opinions from truth are more likely to hold them very strongly and will be upset when the model tells them they're wrong.

freejazz 4y ago

That's what this is, you and the Trumpers are just calling it "woke"