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Probably. If you use a laptop once, on a public Wi-Fi hundreds of miles from where you live, while not being caught on surveillance, while using a stripped down

Probably. If you use a laptop once, on a public Wi-Fi hundreds of miles from where you live, while not being caught on surveillance, while using a stripped down privacy based OS, and then route yourself through Tor, you might be okay.

magnat 4y ago
Not if you brought your cellphone on the trip. Or used a car that has a built-in SIM card and cellular modem. Or you bought that laptop from a supplier that registers all MAC addresses of sold devices. Or that laptop had Computrace or some other firmware-based anti-theft mechanism.
- kerpotgh 4y ago
  Okay so in addition to the above, use a burner and change your MAC address. “Lojacks” on laptops is still mostly pretty unheard of.
  - generalizations 4y ago
    > mostly pretty unheard of Yeah, but if there is an exception to that, it'd be the scenario we're talking about.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Even if you had a car without a cell connection, license plate readers and cameras make it easy for anyone with access to replay and reverse any traveling you do with any car.
  - at-fates-hands 4y ago
    This is basically how the prosecutor in the Idaho case is putting Kohberger at the scene. They've also used where his cell phone was pinging during the night of the murders as additional evidence he was there. Meanwhile, detectives scoured video footage from cameras in the area and picked out a white Hyundai Elantra driving past the house three times before stopping on the fourth pass shortly after 4am. The car left 16 minutes later “at a high rate of speed”, according to Payne Meanwhile, FBI investigators trawled through Kohberger’s cellphone records and discovered that he turned it off shortly before the attack, perhaps thinking it would help him to avoid detection. The phone springs to life again at 4.48am on a road out of Moscow. The records also showed that Kohberger was in the area near the house at least a dozen times in the months before the attack, usually in the early morning or late evenings. Investigators said they were examining whether he “conducted surveillance on the King Road residents and was in contact with any of the victim’s associates before or after the alleged offense”.
  - TecoAndJix 4y ago
    not to mention the Bluetooth in your car that gets logged on some highways as you drive to help detect and improve traffic patterns. https://www.wired.com/2012/12/calgary-travel-time-information-system/ https://www.wired.com/2012/12/calgary-travel-time-informatio...
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PartiallyTyped 4y ago
The most paranoid plan i have come up with: - tor + cubesOS set up by somebody you deeply trust (person A) - on a USB bought by a different person (person B) - with a network card bought by a different person (person C) - many miles away, wearing generic clothes in a cafe where people go to work - different hairstyle and facial hair - mask - without having a phone (obv) - navigating there by changing multiple cars with minimal electronics - ordering the most boring coffee - persons A, B, C don't know each other. You don't know personally B, C, but a person(s) D, (and E) can vouch for them. My gut tells me that the more people you involve, the easier it is to trace you because you will be at the intersection of those people's radii.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
  > - ordering the most boring coffee The fatal flaw in the plan: Barista talking to news after person is arrested by FBI: "As soon as they ordered the brewed coffee with no customizations after standing in line for 10 minutes, I knew something was suspicious. Who comes to Starbucks, stands in line for 10 minutes, and then orders boring coffee?"
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    Good point! Let's make it a caramel macchiato with two pumps vanilla and sugar free creamer! Oh god I am leaking information!
    - turtleyacht 4y ago
      Somehow your comment reminds me of Head First: Design Patterns, where decorator objects wrap each piece of the beverage order: SugarFreeCreamer around Vanilla around Vanilla around Caramel around Macchiato...
    - neodymiumphish 4y ago
      That sounds like the most boring coffee. Why would someone wait in line 10 minutes for that?
    - 4y ago

magnat 4y ago

Not if you brought your cellphone on the trip. Or used a car that has a built-in SIM card and cellular modem. Or you bought that laptop from a supplier that registers all MAC addresses of sold devices. Or that laptop had Computrace or some other firmware-based anti-theft mechanism.

kerpotgh 4y ago
Okay so in addition to the above, use a burner and change your MAC address. “Lojacks” on laptops is still mostly pretty unheard of.
- generalizations 4y ago
  > mostly pretty unheard of Yeah, but if there is an exception to that, it'd be the scenario we're talking about.
heavyset_go 4y ago
Even if you had a car without a cell connection, license plate readers and cameras make it easy for anyone with access to replay and reverse any traveling you do with any car.
- at-fates-hands 4y ago
  This is basically how the prosecutor in the Idaho case is putting Kohberger at the scene. They've also used where his cell phone was pinging during the night of the murders as additional evidence he was there. Meanwhile, detectives scoured video footage from cameras in the area and picked out a white Hyundai Elantra driving past the house three times before stopping on the fourth pass shortly after 4am. The car left 16 minutes later “at a high rate of speed”, according to Payne Meanwhile, FBI investigators trawled through Kohberger’s cellphone records and discovered that he turned it off shortly before the attack, perhaps thinking it would help him to avoid detection. The phone springs to life again at 4.48am on a road out of Moscow. The records also showed that Kohberger was in the area near the house at least a dozen times in the months before the attack, usually in the early morning or late evenings. Investigators said they were examining whether he “conducted surveillance on the King Road residents and was in contact with any of the victim’s associates before or after the alleged offense”.
- TecoAndJix 4y ago
  not to mention the Bluetooth in your car that gets logged on some highways as you drive to help detect and improve traffic patterns. https://www.wired.com/2012/12/calgary-travel-time-information-system/ https://www.wired.com/2012/12/calgary-travel-time-informatio...
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PartiallyTyped 4y ago

The most paranoid plan i have come up with: - tor + cubesOS set up by somebody you deeply trust (person A) - on a USB bought by a different person (person B) - with a network card bought by a different person (person C) - many miles away, wearing generic clothes in a cafe where people go to work - different hairstyle and facial hair - mask - without having a phone (obv) - navigating there by changing multiple cars with minimal electronics - ordering the most boring coffee - persons A, B, C don't know each other. You don't know personally B, C, but a person(s) D, (and E) can vouch for them. My gut tells me that the more people you involve, the easier it is to trace you because you will be at the intersection of those people's radii.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
> - ordering the most boring coffee The fatal flaw in the plan: Barista talking to news after person is arrested by FBI: "As soon as they ordered the brewed coffee with no customizations after standing in line for 10 minutes, I knew something was suspicious. Who comes to Starbucks, stands in line for 10 minutes, and then orders boring coffee?"
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Good point! Let's make it a caramel macchiato with two pumps vanilla and sugar free creamer! Oh god I am leaking information!
  - turtleyacht 4y ago
    Somehow your comment reminds me of Head First: Design Patterns, where decorator objects wrap each piece of the beverage order: SugarFreeCreamer around Vanilla around Vanilla around Caramel around Macchiato...
  - neodymiumphish 4y ago
    That sounds like the most boring coffee. Why would someone wait in line 10 minutes for that?
  - 4y ago