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WoT was hot garbage from the jump and not even Rosamund Pike could save it. GoT was awesome and did respect the source material. It is just that GRRM hasn't wri

WoT was hot garbage from the jump and not even Rosamund Pike could save it. GoT was awesome and did respect the source material. It is just that GRRM hasn't written in 20 years that caused major issues. The writing that he actually did was good. His problem was that he wove too many threads and people started getting bored and wondering if the story in the show would ever end. So they rushed the ending (so it could end) and made some questionable choices. However, it isn't like there were any good options for how to wrap it up. Epic fantasy is hard. Look at the middle 6 WoT books, almost nothing of relevance happens in 4000 pages. When GoT was signed I'm sure GRRM promised them that the next books were already "done" and ready for release but as is typical, 12 years later they had nothing. Honestly, they should have diverged from the source after season 4 and create a new story that could be concluded satisfactorily.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
> Epic fantasy is hard. Look at the middle 6 WoT books, almost nothing of relevance happens in 4000 pages Reading this makes me kind of sad because the industry right now wouldn’t support that. That author would get pushed right out, epub-only releases, less marketing, etc. I wonder if we’ll ever have a long epic like this again.
- NotACop182 4y ago
  Brandon Sanderson known for WOT, mistborn, storm archives has positioned himself to be in sole control of the adaption of his books. Which is great if he flops he will set an example even authors can’t be trust with their own material.
- fbdab103 4y ago
  Do those deserve to exist? Even the most die hard WoT fan would concede that several books could have been cut down significantly, if not entirely. Authors are not getting paid by the word anymore, and they should respect the reader's time.
  - _carbyau_ 4y ago
    When WoT was into book 3 or 4 or so my friend would hang for every release. I didn't see it as worth my time until it finished coherently. Now I just don't see it as worth my time. There is so much content out there that I don't see any particular thing as a "must experience" anymore.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
GOT wasn't just rushed, it did a full 180 on several main characters in the span of a couple of episodes.
topspin 4y ago
I got about 50% of the way through the books and lost interest. That's not usual for me.
fbdab103 4y ago
>...people started getting bored and wondering if the story in the show would ever end. So they rushed the ending (so it could end) HBO told the producers to take as long as they needed. I believe they were eager to jump to Star Wars and rushed to conclude the series.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  .. and D&D got dropped from Star Wars. At least we have that. See, at least the prequel trilogy of star wars had good ideas. It was just terribly executed. The finishing episodes of GoT don't even have good ideas, in addition to being awfully written, lacking continuity, and poorly acted. One of my favorite things was fans of the book series pointing out how Tyrion went from being the poignant observer of the universe through GRRM's eyes to simply being a sideshow dwarf that constantly said "my cock" and little else as soon as D&D ran out of book material for him. The "head vampire" trope for the NK basically meant I didn't watch the final episodes. And Rogue One wasn't really that good, it was just "Battle Beyond The Stars", itself a cheap cash-in on the Star Wars craze, dusted off for Star Wars with some bad kung-fu movie tropes thrown in.
hirundo 4y ago
I'm on book 7, thanks for the spoiler. Should I stop now? Skip the next five books?
- govg 4y ago
  I wouldn't ask you to skip any of the books. It's true that nothing (in the grander story) moves in the middle 5 or so books, but there is a lot of fun events and character interactions that do feel like it is worth it. The later few books, especially the ones by Sanderson are definitely a good payoff for the investment in the middle few.
- kadoban 4y ago
  It's not as bad at all when you're reading once the books are all out anyway. They're not bad, just not as good as some of the others. The real pain was people reading them when it came out, so they'd wait 2 years or whatever for the next book and then it'd come out and the plotline they happened to resonate with didn't get very far. Or it progressed some but didn't particularly end on a high-note.
- flippinburgers 4y ago
  In a painful sort of way slogging through those books in the middle makes the later books even more enjoyable I think.
cloverich 4y ago
I agree epic fantasy is hard but in GoT case most of the hard work was already done. Other than close off the less interesting / dragging stories (check) they didn't do anything well, and deviated from the best parts of the story, characters. Perhaps they had bad writers but it really just reeks of design by committee.
asdajksah2123 4y ago
GRRM left the story in a mess. There is no easy way to reconcile it, which is a huge part of the reason why he has struggled for 2 decades to move it forward. The problem is that if you are at a point where even GRRM cannot move his own story forward, it's unlikely someone else will do a very good job. And that's basically what happened. Even if the writers are the most top notch, they aren't GRRM, otherwise they would have their own fantasy series out under their own names, as opposed to writing for TV shows.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

> Epic fantasy is hard. Look at the middle 6 WoT books, almost nothing of relevance happens in 4000 pages Reading this makes me kind of sad because the industry right now wouldn’t support that. That author would get pushed right out, epub-only releases, less marketing, etc. I wonder if we’ll ever have a long epic like this again.

NotACop182 4y ago
Brandon Sanderson known for WOT, mistborn, storm archives has positioned himself to be in sole control of the adaption of his books. Which is great if he flops he will set an example even authors can’t be trust with their own material.
fbdab103 4y ago
Do those deserve to exist? Even the most die hard WoT fan would concede that several books could have been cut down significantly, if not entirely. Authors are not getting paid by the word anymore, and they should respect the reader's time.
- _carbyau_ 4y ago
  When WoT was into book 3 or 4 or so my friend would hang for every release. I didn't see it as worth my time until it finished coherently. Now I just don't see it as worth my time. There is so much content out there that I don't see any particular thing as a "must experience" anymore.

mixmastamyk 4y ago

GOT wasn't just rushed, it did a full 180 on several main characters in the span of a couple of episodes.

topspin 4y ago

I got about 50% of the way through the books and lost interest. That's not usual for me.

fbdab103 4y ago

>...people started getting bored and wondering if the story in the show would ever end. So they rushed the ending (so it could end) HBO told the producers to take as long as they needed. I believe they were eager to jump to Star Wars and rushed to conclude the series.

AtlasBarfed 4y ago
.. and D&D got dropped from Star Wars. At least we have that. See, at least the prequel trilogy of star wars had good ideas. It was just terribly executed. The finishing episodes of GoT don't even have good ideas, in addition to being awfully written, lacking continuity, and poorly acted. One of my favorite things was fans of the book series pointing out how Tyrion went from being the poignant observer of the universe through GRRM's eyes to simply being a sideshow dwarf that constantly said "my cock" and little else as soon as D&D ran out of book material for him. The "head vampire" trope for the NK basically meant I didn't watch the final episodes. And Rogue One wasn't really that good, it was just "Battle Beyond The Stars", itself a cheap cash-in on the Star Wars craze, dusted off for Star Wars with some bad kung-fu movie tropes thrown in.

hirundo 4y ago

I'm on book 7, thanks for the spoiler. Should I stop now? Skip the next five books?

govg 4y ago
I wouldn't ask you to skip any of the books. It's true that nothing (in the grander story) moves in the middle 5 or so books, but there is a lot of fun events and character interactions that do feel like it is worth it. The later few books, especially the ones by Sanderson are definitely a good payoff for the investment in the middle few.
kadoban 4y ago
It's not as bad at all when you're reading once the books are all out anyway. They're not bad, just not as good as some of the others. The real pain was people reading them when it came out, so they'd wait 2 years or whatever for the next book and then it'd come out and the plotline they happened to resonate with didn't get very far. Or it progressed some but didn't particularly end on a high-note.
flippinburgers 4y ago
In a painful sort of way slogging through those books in the middle makes the later books even more enjoyable I think.

cloverich 4y ago

I agree epic fantasy is hard but in GoT case most of the hard work was already done. Other than close off the less interesting / dragging stories (check) they didn't do anything well, and deviated from the best parts of the story, characters. Perhaps they had bad writers but it really just reeks of design by committee.

asdajksah2123 4y ago

GRRM left the story in a mess. There is no easy way to reconcile it, which is a huge part of the reason why he has struggled for 2 decades to move it forward. The problem is that if you are at a point where even GRRM cannot move his own story forward, it's unlikely someone else will do a very good job. And that's basically what happened. Even if the writers are the most top notch, they aren't GRRM, otherwise they would have their own fantasy series out under their own names, as opposed to writing for TV shows.