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I think stopping fracking in the UK is manifestly achievable, and reasonable. The other hot topic issue (installing insulation in people's homes) is another no

I think stopping fracking in the UK is manifestly achievable, and reasonable. The other hot topic issue (installing insulation in people's homes) is another no-brainer, even more so now that gas prices have gone stratospheric. You're not a climate change denier: you're just reacting in the way most people always react to disruptive protests. It's the same way people reacted to Martin Luther King. Everybody finds disruptive people annoying on an instinctual level. It's only later, with perspective, that we usually realize that disruption was necessary, or nothing would have changed.

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fakedang 4y ago
Except OP is pretty much in agreement with climate change, as am I. But I don't believe one bit that disrupting traffic flow and tossing paint onto artworks is a good effort to fight climate change - on the contrary, such stupidity by people who have barely matured out of art school actually invites backlash from the rest of the populace. Fight climate change by actually working towards it. How many of those hand gluing numpties have actually cleaned a beach or a woodland for once in their lives? I'll tell you, zero. These guys should instead be protesting outside Blackrock and Vanguard, which try to sell me a Climate Change ETF with shares from Exxon, Chevron and Aramco.
- pasabagi 4y ago
  Backlash is good. MLK's whole strategy was about bringing the whole question of civil rights into a crisis, so the racists would have to actually stand up for their views, so the nation could have the kind of heated discussion the subject deserved. That's how protest works: you make a whole bunch of people hate you, so they bang on about how awful you are all the time. If your cause is right, you can count on enough of the heated discussions you spawn to fall in your direction, and even though everybody will pay lip service to how awful you are, they'll recognize the basic sense of what you're campaigning for.
- orwin 4y ago
  I mean, I've cleaned two beaches (my father 3) from oil tanker sinking close to my home. So at least 4? And I also have cleaned woodland when I was youth camp counselor. Pretty sure some of the kids are now activists. I agree that the government have less power than some Corp overall, but I mean, for some demands it's easy: homeowners should have government help to pay for their main house insulation , and pass a law that prevent rent hike in poorly insulated homes. Also create a insulation minimal requirement for new buildings.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Are you a (to quote GP) hand-gluing numpty? (They’d probably also accept paint splattering on artworks as being on an equal footing.) They weren’t saying no one who cares about the environment cleaned beaches, just that there probably wasn’t much overlap in those two groups.
    - orwin 4y ago
      True, true, i'm not. Still feel uncharitable. GP don't really know those people, and tbh i don't either, but i did go to "protests" (basically we marched through the city), and the weird activists often participated in weirder projects, and i would be surprised if most of them never cleaned a forest. Also, those same weird activists type often made hundreds of kilometers to help clean Brittany's coasts. Not sure if those are the same as the people gluing their hand, but it wouldn't surprise me (non-violent, stupid actions are like their Motto).
- zajio1am 4y ago
  > Fight climate change by actually working towards it. How many of those hand gluing numpties have actually cleaned a beach or a woodland for once in their lives? Cleaning a beach or a wwoodland is irrelevant to the climate change.
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    I’ve done more for climate change than that commenter above ever will and I’m in favor of any type of climate protest that they can do. Fuck up some art, who cares? We’ll all be fucked of we don’t change course soon, and some old fucker’s painting isn’t going to help us.

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fakedang 4y ago

Except OP is pretty much in agreement with climate change, as am I. But I don't believe one bit that disrupting traffic flow and tossing paint onto artworks is a good effort to fight climate change - on the contrary, such stupidity by people who have barely matured out of art school actually invites backlash from the rest of the populace. Fight climate change by actually working towards it. How many of those hand gluing numpties have actually cleaned a beach or a woodland for once in their lives? I'll tell you, zero. These guys should instead be protesting outside Blackrock and Vanguard, which try to sell me a Climate Change ETF with shares from Exxon, Chevron and Aramco.

pasabagi 4y ago
Backlash is good. MLK's whole strategy was about bringing the whole question of civil rights into a crisis, so the racists would have to actually stand up for their views, so the nation could have the kind of heated discussion the subject deserved. That's how protest works: you make a whole bunch of people hate you, so they bang on about how awful you are all the time. If your cause is right, you can count on enough of the heated discussions you spawn to fall in your direction, and even though everybody will pay lip service to how awful you are, they'll recognize the basic sense of what you're campaigning for.
orwin 4y ago
I mean, I've cleaned two beaches (my father 3) from oil tanker sinking close to my home. So at least 4? And I also have cleaned woodland when I was youth camp counselor. Pretty sure some of the kids are now activists. I agree that the government have less power than some Corp overall, but I mean, for some demands it's easy: homeowners should have government help to pay for their main house insulation , and pass a law that prevent rent hike in poorly insulated homes. Also create a insulation minimal requirement for new buildings.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  Are you a (to quote GP) hand-gluing numpty? (They’d probably also accept paint splattering on artworks as being on an equal footing.) They weren’t saying no one who cares about the environment cleaned beaches, just that there probably wasn’t much overlap in those two groups.
  - orwin 4y ago
    True, true, i'm not. Still feel uncharitable. GP don't really know those people, and tbh i don't either, but i did go to "protests" (basically we marched through the city), and the weird activists often participated in weirder projects, and i would be surprised if most of them never cleaned a forest. Also, those same weird activists type often made hundreds of kilometers to help clean Brittany's coasts. Not sure if those are the same as the people gluing their hand, but it wouldn't surprise me (non-violent, stupid actions are like their Motto).
zajio1am 4y ago
> Fight climate change by actually working towards it. How many of those hand gluing numpties have actually cleaned a beach or a woodland for once in their lives? Cleaning a beach or a wwoodland is irrelevant to the climate change.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  I’ve done more for climate change than that commenter above ever will and I’m in favor of any type of climate protest that they can do. Fuck up some art, who cares? We’ll all be fucked of we don’t change course soon, and some old fucker’s painting isn’t going to help us.