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Wow, so if the cops simply believe in their minds (or claim to believe) that you are going to start a protest, they can arrest you? How is that not scaring the

Wow, so if the cops simply believe in their minds (or claim to believe) that you are going to start a protest, they can arrest you? How is that not scaring the trousers off UK citizens? It is sad to see countries all over the world introduce authoritarian steps one by one. When was the last time a country introduced a progressive law empowering its citizens against the government?

908B64B197 4y ago
The precursor laws to Thoughtcrimes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime
- stu432 4y ago
  We already have those, https://youtu.be/FS5FT-4Kx7E https://youtu.be/FS5FT-4Kx7E
- nix23 4y ago
  It's more like Minority Report, one side can say you will do something in the future, without actually something happened.
stuaxo 4y ago
Those who it does scare are branded as woke, by the right wing press (which includes most of the papers that are not the Guardian).
- asfarley 4y ago
  Any citations? I haven’t seen fear of pre-crime enforcement characterizes as “woke” anywhere. I’m asking because I myself frequently characterize things as woke, and people might accuse me of having right-wing tendencies, but nonetheless I would be very concerned if police in my country started acting this way.
  - andrepd 4y ago
    In my (limited) personal experience, left-wing people blame Tories and right-wing people blame "woke sjw snowflakes" for these authoritarian drifts. Seeing as one of this group has been in power for over a decade and the other hasn't... I'm inclined to agree with the former :)
- SQueeeeeL 4y ago
  Media on the whole does a pretty good job of making any valid criticism into issues of "extremists" from the opposite political affiliation. The only people who would ever be dissatisfied with the current state of society and want change are clearly bad and radicalized, so just roll over and wait 26 more months to vote. Stability is mainly something which benefits the billionaires who own all major media outlets, if people start protesting stock prices might go down!
ilaksh 4y ago
The UK has been headed down that road for a long time. The media in a smaller country seems easier to control for one thing.
- comboy 4y ago
  Hahah, yeah the media in big countries ...
- CommanderData 4y ago
  Things are set to get worse. Striking is effectively being banned by disguising 'minimal service' and employment laws are to be torn apart diverging from EU employment rights. We all heard it was going to happen, but most people didn't believe it would. There's no end, the Tories will be back in power come the next election. I think the UK population deserve this.
- jen20 4y ago
  > The media in a smaller country seems easier to control for one thing. You have cause and effect backwards. In the UK, the media controls the government, not the other way around.
s0l1dsnak3123 4y ago
They're also creating a constitutional crisis in Scotland, and brandishing Scottish Trans rights reform as the weapon. This is the first time they've tried to use powers to block Scottish democracy since the inception of the Scottish parliament. There's a lot of anger and fear here right now.
- tongin 4y ago
  This is also the first time the Scottish parliament has passed a law that impacted on a reserved matter (i.e. one not devolved) though. In fact they were informed well in advance that this was likely to be the case but pressed ahead anyway, so this is almost certainly a deliberate ploy by Sturgeon to manufacture such a conflict. Particularly as this new law is overwhelmingly unpopular with the Scottish electorate, given how it may negatively affect women's rights, if it were implemented.
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  - locopati 4y ago
    trans rights and women's rights are not in conflict (except in the minds of people who are trying to create conflict). this law was about allowing an informed-consent model for name/gender-marker changes, which is the recommended approach for these things as it places the least burden on the people who need such a thing.
andrepd 4y ago
The Tory establishment has been in power for over 10 years. Why would they not feel comfortable pushing their agenda? They were so comfortable in fact, they even felt okay to announce a tax cut for the very rich in the middle of a massive cost of living crisis (quickly reversed upon seeing the opinion polls, but still)!
qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
They can see the environmental systemic crisis approaching, they have no idea how to handle it, so all they do is hunker down and supress the citizens, that will carry them to the gallows none the less. If supression ever helped, the history books would be empty.

908B64B197 4y ago

The precursor laws to Thoughtcrimes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

stu432 4y ago
We already have those, https://youtu.be/FS5FT-4Kx7E https://youtu.be/FS5FT-4Kx7E
nix23 4y ago
It's more like Minority Report, one side can say you will do something in the future, without actually something happened.

stuaxo 4y ago

Those who it does scare are branded as woke, by the right wing press (which includes most of the papers that are not the Guardian).

asfarley 4y ago
Any citations? I haven’t seen fear of pre-crime enforcement characterizes as “woke” anywhere. I’m asking because I myself frequently characterize things as woke, and people might accuse me of having right-wing tendencies, but nonetheless I would be very concerned if police in my country started acting this way.
- andrepd 4y ago
  In my (limited) personal experience, left-wing people blame Tories and right-wing people blame "woke sjw snowflakes" for these authoritarian drifts. Seeing as one of this group has been in power for over a decade and the other hasn't... I'm inclined to agree with the former :)
SQueeeeeL 4y ago
Media on the whole does a pretty good job of making any valid criticism into issues of "extremists" from the opposite political affiliation. The only people who would ever be dissatisfied with the current state of society and want change are clearly bad and radicalized, so just roll over and wait 26 more months to vote. Stability is mainly something which benefits the billionaires who own all major media outlets, if people start protesting stock prices might go down!

ilaksh 4y ago

The UK has been headed down that road for a long time. The media in a smaller country seems easier to control for one thing.

comboy 4y ago
Hahah, yeah the media in big countries ...
CommanderData 4y ago
Things are set to get worse. Striking is effectively being banned by disguising 'minimal service' and employment laws are to be torn apart diverging from EU employment rights. We all heard it was going to happen, but most people didn't believe it would. There's no end, the Tories will be back in power come the next election. I think the UK population deserve this.
jen20 4y ago
> The media in a smaller country seems easier to control for one thing. You have cause and effect backwards. In the UK, the media controls the government, not the other way around.

s0l1dsnak3123 4y ago

They're also creating a constitutional crisis in Scotland, and brandishing Scottish Trans rights reform as the weapon. This is the first time they've tried to use powers to block Scottish democracy since the inception of the Scottish parliament. There's a lot of anger and fear here right now.

tongin 4y ago
This is also the first time the Scottish parliament has passed a law that impacted on a reserved matter (i.e. one not devolved) though. In fact they were informed well in advance that this was likely to be the case but pressed ahead anyway, so this is almost certainly a deliberate ploy by Sturgeon to manufacture such a conflict. Particularly as this new law is overwhelmingly unpopular with the Scottish electorate, given how it may negatively affect women's rights, if it were implemented.
- deleted 4y ago
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- locopati 4y ago
  trans rights and women's rights are not in conflict (except in the minds of people who are trying to create conflict). this law was about allowing an informed-consent model for name/gender-marker changes, which is the recommended approach for these things as it places the least burden on the people who need such a thing.

andrepd 4y ago

The Tory establishment has been in power for over 10 years. Why would they not feel comfortable pushing their agenda? They were so comfortable in fact, they even felt okay to announce a tax cut for the very rich in the middle of a massive cost of living crisis (quickly reversed upon seeing the opinion polls, but still)!

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

They can see the environmental systemic crisis approaching, they have no idea how to handle it, so all they do is hunker down and supress the citizens, that will carry them to the gallows none the less. If supression ever helped, the history books would be empty.