5 ms·

Except their OS updates reduce their battery by 2-3 times effectively zeroing out any gains. I have a 14" M1 MBP that was doing just dandy until Ventura came a

Except their OS updates reduce their battery by 2-3 times effectively zeroing out any gains. I have a 14" M1 MBP that was doing just dandy until Ventura came along and now my battery life is a joke. It drains a ton from just light coding sessions (I'm talking 30% in 90 mins or so).

smodo 4y ago
The M1 at its introduction was a little too good at its price point. The cynic in me says it will get hamstrung in software by piling on a lot of useless ‘ML’-crap in the OS that makes it perceivably slower. I’ve had my M1 laptop for two years and it still feels like it just came out of the box. I’m holding off on Ventura for as long as I can. The page showing the new features for MacOS is a laughable piece of marketing, trying desperately to find added value or frame things as such.
- alexchantavy 4y ago
  What’s bad about Ventura? I’m out of the loop
  - highwaylights 4y ago
    The settings page doesn't work for one thing. Not badly designed (which I believe it is), but it just plain is a buggy mess. I've also had to manually fix permissions problems on directories that in the UI do not show as granted, but are actually enabled and allowing file reads/writes (the UI is just showing that permissions haven't been granted when they have, which is incredibly dangerous).
    - vehemenz 4y ago
      I don't mind the new organization of System Settings.app, but the search field is extremely slow and doesn't always return a sensible top result. I was skeptical of it at first, but I think it was probably the right direction, assuming they continue improve it.
  - nhubbard 4y ago
    People have been hating on the new System Settings app (a messy redesign that violates Apple's own design guidelines) and how almost every other enhancement is really minor. However, I've really enjoyed Ventura, because of the following (non-exhaustive list): * As a Mac admin: enterprise managed updates actually work compared to Monterey! * As a Mac developer: SwiftUI graphics rendering is significantly faster, closing in on AppKit levels of performance with no changes required! As a regular user: * A battery life leak that I noticed with Monterey 12.6.1 was fixed and my battery life became much better * The Weather app is absolutely amazing * Live Text is even better than before One issue that's been irking me is that I've had a lot more accidental Siri triggers while talking to other people, and even while watching movies and videos through the speakers. I'm going to re-do the Hey Siri set up to see if it fixes the issue.
  - geerlingguy 4y ago
    Like most software these days it changed a lot of stuff, added a bunch of features, and while doing so introduced more instability. Apple really needs another 10.6 "Snow Leopard" style release: no new features, just stability and speed.
    - Tempest1981 4y ago
      My favorite "Walt Mossberg" review of 10.6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc
  - aliqot 4y ago
    It reduced battery life and consumes more resources for me on m2. I do roughly the same thing every day, so I'm used to when I need to plug in and can plan accordingly. Ventura has higher resource usage, and I need to plug up 70-90 minutes earlier, though sometimes up to 120 mins earlier.
- m_mueller 4y ago
  would have loved to hold off on ventura, but the lack of security updates (and compliance reqs by my employer) is what got me... this is one of the areas where Apple is really bad. no security updates on the N-1 generation OS immediately after new one is released??
  - easton 4y ago
    > no security updates on the N-1 generation OS immediately after new one is released?? They definitely do ship software updates (and Safari updates), they’re just more selective about it. 0-days and whatever are usually patched.
    - m_mueller 4y ago
      Well there was at least one that got a CVE, thus landed on our cybersec radar, and Apple only provided an update (at least initially) for Ventura.
ericpauley 4y ago
Have you looked at CPU/energy utilization of applications during this? It could very well be that some update to your workflow is causing increased consumption you're not aware of.
- nop_slide 4y ago
  yep it seems like the most CPU/energy is PyCharm/iTerm/Docker. This is the same set of tools and workflow I was using pre-ventura and I can very much notice the hit.
John23832 4y ago
Contrarian anecdote... My M1 16" MBP has the best laptop I've ever had (and I have had quite a few). And I develop full time (lots of big Java, Go and Rust builds). No battery issues at all. While I'd love to be able to go back to my Thinkpad Debian life, the idea of leaving the combination of a great screen, superb battery life, large developer ecosystem, and (newly, the butterfly keys were trash) ok keyboard would make me want to cry. To get my linux fix, I just use Multipass.
- drbeast 4y ago
  [dead]
- highwaylights 4y ago
  "the butterfly keys were trash" The butterfly keys were a brilliant system that was objectively better than the keys they replaced (and were in turn replaced by). Unfortunately, people preferred the "feel" of the old keys (myself included). They also broke constantly and expensively in the early generations (although Apple picked up the tab on this in the end).
  - nehal3m 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
    "They were a brilliant system" yes. They were great at getting people to buy new laptops when their old ones broke.
    - esskay 4y ago
      Jokes on Apple. They replaced mine 4 times under UK consumer law, each time needing to give me practically a whole new laptop shell.
      - highwaylights 4y ago
paines 4y ago
I think there was an update in the past which drained the battery more than it should have BUT now since the latest update I have the feeling that the power consumption is even better utilized than it has been ever before on the 14". I watched Netflix for hours and hours and hours on the weekend. PS: I switched from Safari to Chrome. Not sure how big the impact is on the battery in regards of media streaming.
brookst 4y ago
Something is wrong with your hardware or software.
tluyben2 4y ago
Not in my experience. You must be running something that is not agreeing with some Ventura change?
- nop_slide 4y ago
  Majority of the energy use appears to come from PyCharm/iTerm/Docker which is the same workflow I've had since pre ventura but with a noticeable battery hit now.
cirrus3 4y ago
Something else is going on specific to you. If this were a widespread thing for everyone it would big news, it isn't.
- nop_slide 4y ago
  Googling "Ventura battery drain" yields quite a few results.
esskay 4y ago
Cant say I've had the same experience. Venturas had zero noticable impact on my battery life and I leave it on battery almost all day whilst doing software dev.

smodo 4y ago

The M1 at its introduction was a little too good at its price point. The cynic in me says it will get hamstrung in software by piling on a lot of useless ‘ML’-crap in the OS that makes it perceivably slower. I’ve had my M1 laptop for two years and it still feels like it just came out of the box. I’m holding off on Ventura for as long as I can. The page showing the new features for MacOS is a laughable piece of marketing, trying desperately to find added value or frame things as such.

alexchantavy 4y ago
What’s bad about Ventura? I’m out of the loop
- highwaylights 4y ago
  The settings page doesn't work for one thing. Not badly designed (which I believe it is), but it just plain is a buggy mess. I've also had to manually fix permissions problems on directories that in the UI do not show as granted, but are actually enabled and allowing file reads/writes (the UI is just showing that permissions haven't been granted when they have, which is incredibly dangerous).
  - vehemenz 4y ago
    I don't mind the new organization of System Settings.app, but the search field is extremely slow and doesn't always return a sensible top result. I was skeptical of it at first, but I think it was probably the right direction, assuming they continue improve it.
- nhubbard 4y ago
  People have been hating on the new System Settings app (a messy redesign that violates Apple's own design guidelines) and how almost every other enhancement is really minor. However, I've really enjoyed Ventura, because of the following (non-exhaustive list): * As a Mac admin: enterprise managed updates actually work compared to Monterey! * As a Mac developer: SwiftUI graphics rendering is significantly faster, closing in on AppKit levels of performance with no changes required! As a regular user: * A battery life leak that I noticed with Monterey 12.6.1 was fixed and my battery life became much better * The Weather app is absolutely amazing * Live Text is even better than before One issue that's been irking me is that I've had a lot more accidental Siri triggers while talking to other people, and even while watching movies and videos through the speakers. I'm going to re-do the Hey Siri set up to see if it fixes the issue.
- geerlingguy 4y ago
  Like most software these days it changed a lot of stuff, added a bunch of features, and while doing so introduced more instability. Apple really needs another 10.6 "Snow Leopard" style release: no new features, just stability and speed.
  - Tempest1981 4y ago
    My favorite "Walt Mossberg" review of 10.6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc
- aliqot 4y ago
  It reduced battery life and consumes more resources for me on m2. I do roughly the same thing every day, so I'm used to when I need to plug in and can plan accordingly. Ventura has higher resource usage, and I need to plug up 70-90 minutes earlier, though sometimes up to 120 mins earlier.
m_mueller 4y ago
would have loved to hold off on ventura, but the lack of security updates (and compliance reqs by my employer) is what got me... this is one of the areas where Apple is really bad. no security updates on the N-1 generation OS immediately after new one is released??
- easton 4y ago
  > no security updates on the N-1 generation OS immediately after new one is released?? They definitely do ship software updates (and Safari updates), they’re just more selective about it. 0-days and whatever are usually patched.
  - m_mueller 4y ago
    Well there was at least one that got a CVE, thus landed on our cybersec radar, and Apple only provided an update (at least initially) for Ventura.

ericpauley 4y ago

Have you looked at CPU/energy utilization of applications during this? It could very well be that some update to your workflow is causing increased consumption you're not aware of.

nop_slide 4y ago
yep it seems like the most CPU/energy is PyCharm/iTerm/Docker. This is the same set of tools and workflow I was using pre-ventura and I can very much notice the hit.

John23832 4y ago

Contrarian anecdote... My M1 16" MBP has the best laptop I've ever had (and I have had quite a few). And I develop full time (lots of big Java, Go and Rust builds). No battery issues at all. While I'd love to be able to go back to my Thinkpad Debian life, the idea of leaving the combination of a great screen, superb battery life, large developer ecosystem, and (newly, the butterfly keys were trash) ok keyboard would make me want to cry. To get my linux fix, I just use Multipass.

drbeast 4y ago
[dead]
highwaylights 4y ago
"the butterfly keys were trash" The butterfly keys were a brilliant system that was objectively better than the keys they replaced (and were in turn replaced by). Unfortunately, people preferred the "feel" of the old keys (myself included). They also broke constantly and expensively in the early generations (although Apple picked up the tab on this in the end).
- nehal3m 4y ago
  [flagged]
- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
  "They were a brilliant system" yes. They were great at getting people to buy new laptops when their old ones broke.
  - esskay 4y ago
    Jokes on Apple. They replaced mine 4 times under UK consumer law, each time needing to give me practically a whole new laptop shell.
    - highwaylights 4y ago

paines 4y ago

I think there was an update in the past which drained the battery more than it should have BUT now since the latest update I have the feeling that the power consumption is even better utilized than it has been ever before on the 14". I watched Netflix for hours and hours and hours on the weekend. PS: I switched from Safari to Chrome. Not sure how big the impact is on the battery in regards of media streaming.

brookst 4y ago

Something is wrong with your hardware or software.

tluyben2 4y ago

Not in my experience. You must be running something that is not agreeing with some Ventura change?

nop_slide 4y ago
Majority of the energy use appears to come from PyCharm/iTerm/Docker which is the same workflow I've had since pre ventura but with a noticeable battery hit now.

cirrus3 4y ago

Something else is going on specific to you. If this were a widespread thing for everyone it would big news, it isn't.

nop_slide 4y ago
Googling "Ventura battery drain" yields quite a few results.

esskay 4y ago

Cant say I've had the same experience. Venturas had zero noticable impact on my battery life and I leave it on battery almost all day whilst doing software dev.