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Even if you do 100%, with just 1 year of used, my Tesla battery on 100% charge shows 320 miles, which is a far cry from 358 advertised. Plus the other estimate

Even if you do 100%, with just 1 year of used, my Tesla battery on 100% charge shows 320 miles, which is a far cry from 358 advertised. Plus the other estimates are correct. The range drops if it’s too cold, or if it is too hot, or if you use any of the features that the car advertises, or if you’re driving on a freeway, or if it is a stop and go traffic, or if you gain elevation, or basically if you use your car as a car. Don’t get me wrong, I still love my car and I would never drive an non EV again, and a non Tesla EV at the moment. But calling out the marketing bs is totally fair.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
EVs do much better in stop and go traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if some even exceeds EPA range estimates in those cases.
- jtc331 4y ago
  I doubt it would outperform EPA estimates (you can only recapture energy not create it afresh with regenerative braking), but compared to ICE cars the percentage of stated range would be very high.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    The Chevy Volt PHEV had an estimated 53-mile all electric range. During the summer, I routinely got 56-60, and once got 67.5 miles before the engine had to kick in.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    It’s because air resistance is a much bigger drag on efficiency for an EV, so stop and go traffic is a bit more closer to its ideal efficiency (which is going slow without stopping).
- darth_avocado 4y ago
  My experience has been that the car does best when you’re driving at a steady speed of 25mph without having to stop. This is based on the internal chart that Tesla provides. When you’re in stop and go, you actually use a lot more energy to go from 0->X but do not regenerate back enough when you come down to 0. On the other hand, maintaining a steady 25mph uses a lot less energy as compared to 0->X. Again, this is based on the Tesla energy usage data that they themselves show in car.
- landemva 4y ago
  USA traffic engineers love stop lights which force idling. Fortunately some European tech to stop/start the engine is arriving in USA. In isolated cases, some USA intersections are being converted to traffic circles. Installation of new stop lights should require a giant pollution fine paid by government.
  - therealdrag0 4y ago
    My 2018 Ford escape has auto-stop/start when stopped. But it almost never works. No idea why. It worked for the first year maybe, then disappeared.
    - falcolas 4y ago
      It can be turned off, and there's very little visual indication that this has happened. The feature bugs some drivers, so if you have a second driver, they could have easily done it.
      - therealdrag0 4y ago
        I've toggled it many times to no avail.
        landemva 4y ago
        Sometimes dealer updates change settings. I saw a Subaru change behavior with lane departure warnings after an oil change.
        gambiting 4y ago
        I've had this this issue on my Mercedes before, the cause turned out to be the 12V battery that never charged properly, so the system didn't want to activate.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  I used a Nissan Leaf as my thrice weekly commuter vehicle for several months. It couldn't quite make the full round trip on a 100% charge and there was nowhere to plugin at work. For a while, I'd go to Ikea at lunch and charge there during my lunch break. That was enough extra charge to make it all the way home but going to Ikea each day for lunch got old fast. Instead, I started stopping at charge point near a Fry's on the way home but even Fry's got boring after a few days. Then I discovered if I got off the freeway about fifteen miles earlier than my usual exit and used surface streets, I could make it home even though it was a bit longer distance and plenty of stop lights, stop signs, and traffic slower than the highway. I suspect the lower wind resistance at the slower speed is what provided the extra bit so I could get home with about nine miles of range showing on the dash. Probably wasn't good for the battery but it was the last few months of a lease and never ended up losing any bars of range. The anxiety sure was real.
ajross 4y ago
My Y is showing about 93% of rated range after 19k miles, FWIW. > The range drops if [...] you gain elevation That's true, but unless you're driving inexorably up into the Himalayas, you're going to come down that hill. EVs have a magic trick they can play in that situation. :) In point of fact regenerative braking makes EV's equivalent range penalty in hilly terrain much (MUCH) better than any fuel-burning vehicle.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

EVs do much better in stop and go traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if some even exceeds EPA range estimates in those cases.

jtc331 4y ago
I doubt it would outperform EPA estimates (you can only recapture energy not create it afresh with regenerative braking), but compared to ICE cars the percentage of stated range would be very high.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  The Chevy Volt PHEV had an estimated 53-mile all electric range. During the summer, I routinely got 56-60, and once got 67.5 miles before the engine had to kick in.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  It’s because air resistance is a much bigger drag on efficiency for an EV, so stop and go traffic is a bit more closer to its ideal efficiency (which is going slow without stopping).
darth_avocado 4y ago
My experience has been that the car does best when you’re driving at a steady speed of 25mph without having to stop. This is based on the internal chart that Tesla provides. When you’re in stop and go, you actually use a lot more energy to go from 0->X but do not regenerate back enough when you come down to 0. On the other hand, maintaining a steady 25mph uses a lot less energy as compared to 0->X. Again, this is based on the Tesla energy usage data that they themselves show in car.
landemva 4y ago
USA traffic engineers love stop lights which force idling. Fortunately some European tech to stop/start the engine is arriving in USA. In isolated cases, some USA intersections are being converted to traffic circles. Installation of new stop lights should require a giant pollution fine paid by government.
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  My 2018 Ford escape has auto-stop/start when stopped. But it almost never works. No idea why. It worked for the first year maybe, then disappeared.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    It can be turned off, and there's very little visual indication that this has happened. The feature bugs some drivers, so if you have a second driver, they could have easily done it.
    - therealdrag0 4y ago
      I've toggled it many times to no avail.
      - landemva 4y ago
        Sometimes dealer updates change settings. I saw a Subaru change behavior with lane departure warnings after an oil change.
        gambiting 4y ago
        I've had this this issue on my Mercedes before, the cause turned out to be the 12V battery that never charged properly, so the system didn't want to activate.
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
I used a Nissan Leaf as my thrice weekly commuter vehicle for several months. It couldn't quite make the full round trip on a 100% charge and there was nowhere to plugin at work. For a while, I'd go to Ikea at lunch and charge there during my lunch break. That was enough extra charge to make it all the way home but going to Ikea each day for lunch got old fast. Instead, I started stopping at charge point near a Fry's on the way home but even Fry's got boring after a few days. Then I discovered if I got off the freeway about fifteen miles earlier than my usual exit and used surface streets, I could make it home even though it was a bit longer distance and plenty of stop lights, stop signs, and traffic slower than the highway. I suspect the lower wind resistance at the slower speed is what provided the extra bit so I could get home with about nine miles of range showing on the dash. Probably wasn't good for the battery but it was the last few months of a lease and never ended up losing any bars of range. The anxiety sure was real.

ajross 4y ago

My Y is showing about 93% of rated range after 19k miles, FWIW. > The range drops if [...] you gain elevation That's true, but unless you're driving inexorably up into the Himalayas, you're going to come down that hill. EVs have a magic trick they can play in that situation. :) In point of fact regenerative braking makes EV's equivalent range penalty in hilly terrain much (MUCH) better than any fuel-burning vehicle.