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I am so glad many cities and even Cantons in Switzerland have decided that such a thing should not be permitted. [1] Such a distopian future is not something pe

I am so glad many cities and even Cantons in Switzerland have decided that such a thing should not be permitted. [1] Such a distopian future is not something people want anywhere. I assume it is still legal in NYC to wear clothing or head gear that would make face recognition difficult if not impossible? [1] https://www.gesichtserkennung-stoppen.ch/news/grosse-erfolge https://www.gesichtserkennung-stoppen.ch/news/grosse-erfolge

x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
The normalization of face-masks in public have been amazing for aiding anonymity.
- kwere 4y ago
  too bad one can be identified also from the way they walks [0] [0]https://www.cnet.com/science/china-surveillance-tech-ids-people-by-their-walk https://www.cnet.com/science/china-surveillance-tech-ids-peo...
  - x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
    I don't think there's a nationwide database of walking gate fingerprints facilitated by your local DMVs.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  Not if they apply https://github.com/topics/gait-analysis https://github.com/topics/gait-analysis & https://github.com/topics/gait-recognition https://github.com/topics/gait-recognition https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/11/12/new-surveillance-tool-gait-recognition.aspx https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/11/12/new-surveillan... https://recfaces.com/articles/what-is-gait-recognition https://recfaces.com/articles/what-is-gait-recognition If they (can) do so ATM (at large scale and in real time) is another matter, but only a question of time, IMO.
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    Not sure how effective it would be in reality, but in Cory Doctorow's Little Brother they work around gait analysis by putting some pebbles in their shoes.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
      As a temporary means of distraction, maybe. But it wouldn't really change the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics, ratio of joint to limb length, and so on. You'd just sway a little bit different, but not that much. Then there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-area_motion_imagery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-area_motion_imagery AKA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS , the digital signature of your gadgets in the EM-spectrum, where their sudden 'disapperance' might raise flags, leading to 'replay' of the region for further analysis. But there is always hope in rising incompetence of ever growing institutions and organisations, hollowed out from the insides by the parasites they attract.
    - lordnacho 4y ago
      Yeah a lot of people think funding innovative new walking styles is why they exist, but they ministry of silly walks has other more sinister purposes as well. https://youtu.be/eCLp7zodUiI https://youtu.be/eCLp7zodUiI
WeylandYutani 4y ago
Crime is one of the most important voting issues. Republicans had a resurgence in NYC because of it.
- edge17 4y ago
  Alternatively one could say Democrats lost ground for being too soft on it. Seriously though, your comment makes it sound like Republicans benefit from high crime. No one benefits from high crime.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    Or rather they weren't soft enough. Republicans are just cruel and unjust because that usually benefits those in the in-group. Democrats compromise so much they are left with the worst of both worlds. They couldn't decriminalize drugs enough or enable world class social welfare programs when they did get majority control over legislature. But voters are ultimately to blame, they want their cake and to it too.
    - drewcoo 4y ago
      > But voters are ultimately to blame, they want their cake and to it too. As a voter, you're given the choice between terrible and truly awful. No matter which you choose, it's your fault? Frankly, when I buy a new kind of underarm deodorant and later I stink, I feel I'm more to blame than I am for my political vote and any lack-of-outcome. And I'm inundated with deodorant choices - it's harder to pick.
    - steve76 4y ago
      [dead]
    - WeylandYutani 4y ago
      I remember when New York wanted to lynch the Central Park five. Reason and idealism seems to vanish when people feel threatened.
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
minkowski 4y ago
I didn't check if this research is still pursued or abandoned due to the rise of face recognition and other metric learning/re-identification technologies, but a few years ago a number of faculty at ETH Zurich were quite heavily involved in researching CCTV-based person tracking, which would work even against people taking measures against face or gait recognition algorithms if they weren't able to leave the CCTV-covered area. It was insinuated that various external state agencies, not all Switzerland-based, were specifically funding this research. So, while the citizens might not want it, faculty seem perfectly happy to keep developing such technology for other clients.
- carom 4y ago
  Link to the research?
  - minkowski 4y ago
    Some of the theoretical work is available with keywords like 'multi-object tracking' or 'multi-object detection' and also applied to tasks such as pedestrian tracking for autonomous vehicles, but there was also a bunch of applied work building and evaluating such CCTV systems which I can't find any links to now, sorry.
algog 4y ago
Just wear a cap, shades, and a covid mask.
- quazar 4y ago
  Illegal + doesn't work against modern solutions incorporating e.g. gait analysis.

x3n0ph3n3 4y ago

The normalization of face-masks in public have been amazing for aiding anonymity.

kwere 4y ago
too bad one can be identified also from the way they walks [0] [0]https://www.cnet.com/science/china-surveillance-tech-ids-people-by-their-walk https://www.cnet.com/science/china-surveillance-tech-ids-peo...
- x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
  I don't think there's a nationwide database of walking gate fingerprints facilitated by your local DMVs.
LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
Not if they apply https://github.com/topics/gait-analysis https://github.com/topics/gait-analysis & https://github.com/topics/gait-recognition https://github.com/topics/gait-recognition https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/11/12/new-surveillance-tool-gait-recognition.aspx https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/11/12/new-surveillan... https://recfaces.com/articles/what-is-gait-recognition https://recfaces.com/articles/what-is-gait-recognition If they (can) do so ATM (at large scale and in real time) is another matter, but only a question of time, IMO.
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  Not sure how effective it would be in reality, but in Cory Doctorow's Little Brother they work around gait analysis by putting some pebbles in their shoes.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
    As a temporary means of distraction, maybe. But it wouldn't really change the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics, ratio of joint to limb length, and so on. You'd just sway a little bit different, but not that much. Then there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-area_motion_imagery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-area_motion_imagery AKA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS , the digital signature of your gadgets in the EM-spectrum, where their sudden 'disapperance' might raise flags, leading to 'replay' of the region for further analysis. But there is always hope in rising incompetence of ever growing institutions and organisations, hollowed out from the insides by the parasites they attract.
  - lordnacho 4y ago
    Yeah a lot of people think funding innovative new walking styles is why they exist, but they ministry of silly walks has other more sinister purposes as well. https://youtu.be/eCLp7zodUiI https://youtu.be/eCLp7zodUiI

WeylandYutani 4y ago

Crime is one of the most important voting issues. Republicans had a resurgence in NYC because of it.

edge17 4y ago
Alternatively one could say Democrats lost ground for being too soft on it. Seriously though, your comment makes it sound like Republicans benefit from high crime. No one benefits from high crime.
- _8j50 4y ago
  Or rather they weren't soft enough. Republicans are just cruel and unjust because that usually benefits those in the in-group. Democrats compromise so much they are left with the worst of both worlds. They couldn't decriminalize drugs enough or enable world class social welfare programs when they did get majority control over legislature. But voters are ultimately to blame, they want their cake and to it too.
  - drewcoo 4y ago
    > But voters are ultimately to blame, they want their cake and to it too. As a voter, you're given the choice between terrible and truly awful. No matter which you choose, it's your fault? Frankly, when I buy a new kind of underarm deodorant and later I stink, I feel I'm more to blame than I am for my political vote and any lack-of-outcome. And I'm inundated with deodorant choices - it's harder to pick.
  - steve76 4y ago
    [dead]
  - WeylandYutani 4y ago
    I remember when New York wanted to lynch the Central Park five. Reason and idealism seems to vanish when people feel threatened.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago

minkowski 4y ago

I didn't check if this research is still pursued or abandoned due to the rise of face recognition and other metric learning/re-identification technologies, but a few years ago a number of faculty at ETH Zurich were quite heavily involved in researching CCTV-based person tracking, which would work even against people taking measures against face or gait recognition algorithms if they weren't able to leave the CCTV-covered area. It was insinuated that various external state agencies, not all Switzerland-based, were specifically funding this research. So, while the citizens might not want it, faculty seem perfectly happy to keep developing such technology for other clients.

carom 4y ago
Link to the research?
- minkowski 4y ago
  Some of the theoretical work is available with keywords like 'multi-object tracking' or 'multi-object detection' and also applied to tasks such as pedestrian tracking for autonomous vehicles, but there was also a bunch of applied work building and evaluating such CCTV systems which I can't find any links to now, sorry.

algog 4y ago

Just wear a cap, shades, and a covid mask.

quazar 4y ago
Illegal + doesn't work against modern solutions incorporating e.g. gait analysis.