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The absolute contempt to do this to your third party partners without any notification ahead of time and not even an explanation afterwards. It's boggling. Do

The absolute contempt to do this to your third party partners without any notification ahead of time and not even an explanation afterwards. It's boggling. Do not do business with Elon Musk's Twitter. They don't pay their vendors, they don't pay their rent, they completely mishandle the promised severance to the 50% of employees they laid off. And now apparently they'll just cut third party partners off at the knees with no warning.

olliej 4y ago
They didn’t mishandle severance: they knew they were breaking the law, but they also knew they weren’t going to pay severance anyway, but for the people who did take severance I’m sure the terms of the agreement included the “you can’t class action”, “you can only arbitrate”, “you cannot disparage us”, “you cannot tell anyone we haven’t paid you”, “you cannot assist other lawsuits”, etc Seriously, people seem obsessed with musk being somehow a genius: he’s not, he lucked out into an owning class family in apartheid SA, was lucky enough to be involved with PayPal, stole Tesla by using PayPal fortune to our lawyer the actual founders of the company. SpaceX is arguably the only thing he’s done himself that is successful, and that seems to be more about being a new company with a billionaire backer than musk himself being somehow a genius there - I’ve seen enough actual experts complaining about him spouting nonsense in his engineering talk to assume it’s a case of big words and confidence making it sound like he knows what he’s talking about than actual competence. His behaviour, attitude, and treatment of employees shows him to be an office-esque bumbling middle manager with no ethics, and minimal competence or actual imagination.
- papito 4y ago
  Musk on chess: "I did as a child, but found it to be too simple to be useful in real life: a mere 8 by 8 grid, no fog of war, no technology tree, no random map or spawn position, only 2 players, both sides exact same pieces, etc." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1584537377837490177 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1584537377837490177 This guy just loves being in over his head, doesn't he?
- solarkraft 4y ago
  He may have "stolen" the beginnings of Tesla, but he still ran it for a long time (like he runs twitter now). Somehow he didn't ruin it and instead built a lot of cars and a few big factories. Disregarding all the marketing fluff, I still find the result to be pretty impressive. Not going to disagree that his behavior at twitter is erratic at best.
- _djo_ 4y ago
  > SpaceX is arguably the only thing he’s done himself that is successful Not even that. Musk’s initial plan for SpaceX was to buy a couple of Dnepr rockets, so he went to Russia in 2001 with Jim Cantrell, Adeo Ressi, and Mike Griffin. The trip was a failure. But Griffin, who was running In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, and had attempted something similar around private launches when running Orbital Sciences in the 1990s, convinced Musk to build his own rockets. It was a time when a number of space engineering projects were winding down and lots of talented people becoming available. Griffin knew this better than Musk would have and introduced him to the right people and companies. SpaceX still moved fairly slowly after that, without any launch attempts until Griffin, then the newly appointed NASA Administrator, created the COTS programme and awarded a $400 million contract to SpaceX despite it being unproven. In 2008, when SpaceX was near bankruptcy, NASA under Griffin again awarded it a huge $1.6 billion dollar contract that both saved it and provided the needed funding for further rocket designs and bets like reusability. Musk has done a lot with SpaceX, and deserves some credit, but the general view about it being all him and all self funded is inaccurate.
  - RealityVoid 4y ago
    This is interesting and sounds credible, but do you have any sources for this?
dragonwriter 4y ago
> The absolute contempt to do this to your third party partners without any notification ahead of time and not even an explanation afterwards. ... is perfectly in line with how Musk has tweeted Twitter's paying customers of all types, users paying or otherwise, employees and the labor laws protecting them, the FTC, and European data protection authorities since the takeover. As well as apparently software/service suppliers, landlords, etc.

olliej 4y ago

They didn’t mishandle severance: they knew they were breaking the law, but they also knew they weren’t going to pay severance anyway, but for the people who did take severance I’m sure the terms of the agreement included the “you can’t class action”, “you can only arbitrate”, “you cannot disparage us”, “you cannot tell anyone we haven’t paid you”, “you cannot assist other lawsuits”, etc Seriously, people seem obsessed with musk being somehow a genius: he’s not, he lucked out into an owning class family in apartheid SA, was lucky enough to be involved with PayPal, stole Tesla by using PayPal fortune to our lawyer the actual founders of the company. SpaceX is arguably the only thing he’s done himself that is successful, and that seems to be more about being a new company with a billionaire backer than musk himself being somehow a genius there - I’ve seen enough actual experts complaining about him spouting nonsense in his engineering talk to assume it’s a case of big words and confidence making it sound like he knows what he’s talking about than actual competence. His behaviour, attitude, and treatment of employees shows him to be an office-esque bumbling middle manager with no ethics, and minimal competence or actual imagination.

papito 4y ago
Musk on chess: "I did as a child, but found it to be too simple to be useful in real life: a mere 8 by 8 grid, no fog of war, no technology tree, no random map or spawn position, only 2 players, both sides exact same pieces, etc." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1584537377837490177 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1584537377837490177 This guy just loves being in over his head, doesn't he?
solarkraft 4y ago
He may have "stolen" the beginnings of Tesla, but he still ran it for a long time (like he runs twitter now). Somehow he didn't ruin it and instead built a lot of cars and a few big factories. Disregarding all the marketing fluff, I still find the result to be pretty impressive. Not going to disagree that his behavior at twitter is erratic at best.
_djo_ 4y ago
> SpaceX is arguably the only thing he’s done himself that is successful Not even that. Musk’s initial plan for SpaceX was to buy a couple of Dnepr rockets, so he went to Russia in 2001 with Jim Cantrell, Adeo Ressi, and Mike Griffin. The trip was a failure. But Griffin, who was running In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, and had attempted something similar around private launches when running Orbital Sciences in the 1990s, convinced Musk to build his own rockets. It was a time when a number of space engineering projects were winding down and lots of talented people becoming available. Griffin knew this better than Musk would have and introduced him to the right people and companies. SpaceX still moved fairly slowly after that, without any launch attempts until Griffin, then the newly appointed NASA Administrator, created the COTS programme and awarded a $400 million contract to SpaceX despite it being unproven. In 2008, when SpaceX was near bankruptcy, NASA under Griffin again awarded it a huge $1.6 billion dollar contract that both saved it and provided the needed funding for further rocket designs and bets like reusability. Musk has done a lot with SpaceX, and deserves some credit, but the general view about it being all him and all self funded is inaccurate.
- RealityVoid 4y ago
  This is interesting and sounds credible, but do you have any sources for this?

dragonwriter 4y ago

> The absolute contempt to do this to your third party partners without any notification ahead of time and not even an explanation afterwards. ... is perfectly in line with how Musk has tweeted Twitter's paying customers of all types, users paying or otherwise, employees and the labor laws protecting them, the FTC, and European data protection authorities since the takeover. As well as apparently software/service suppliers, landlords, etc.