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Show HN: Hacker News Without News
- 6451937099 4y ago[dead]
- unsafecast 4y agoWhy does it alternate between 2023 and 2013?
- weird_user 4y agoIt's intentional. What's interesting 10 years ago is likely still interesting now.
- pigtailgirl 4y ago[flagged]
- bookofjoe 4y agoI think this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34303268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34303268 is the worst Ask HN so far — but I could be biased...
- cwmoore 4y agoWhat's interesting for ten years is likely really interesting. I often find a better selection of links on the third or fourth page of HN thanks to their algorithms, of stories that have held position for several days. Perhaps these are more evergreen topics than faster rising and falling front page submissions. EDIT: There is a typo in the word "business".
- phgn 4y agoOnly if the content still exists after 10 years. There was a lot of noise back then too, but the irrelevant stuff has been forgotten! See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect
- tobyhinloopen 4y agoI like the 2013 posts
- paulcole 4y agoI would love the inverse of this. Just give me the fads, politics, mundane topics, business, and marketing.
- sainib 4y agoEssentially you are filtering hacker news content based on the type. Why not simply allow the user to choose what kind of articles they want to see? For example I'm only interested in the latest trends so I should be able to see just that and no other content at all. This could increase the number of users interested in your app
- weird_user 4y agoThe list is handpicked, I can not read every entry to categorize the content.
- O__________O 4y agoPage layout is confusing. Makes it feel like information that is on the right or left of the vertical divide is related.
- weird_user 4y agoPerhaps I should add a single-column option?
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- safety1st 4y agoI like the idea and would be happy to see it expanded upon. I know that HN already downranks posts that get a lot more comments than upvotes because these tend to be highly controversial, political etc. I sort of wish those posts were not in my default filter at all, it's easy to get sucked in but it's rare that I learn anything valuable from them.
- bookofjoe 4y agoThis: "...HN already downranks posts that get a lot more comments than upvotes..." is news to me. Thank you.
- seedie 4y agominimaxir's "List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors" proposes something similar. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flame-war-detector https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flame-... But I don't know if this is based on evidence.
- smoldesu 4y agoI'm pretty sure some topics are just outright muted to prevent abuse (not that it's a bad thing). For example, if you were on /new over the past 6 months, it was extremely common to see a "Twitter"-titled article get 20+ upvotes and never see the frontpage. People were outright obsessing over Twitter, posting everything they could find, no matter how benign or uninteresting it's content was. Locking the topic until verifiably interesting things happen was a great solution. It probably works similarly for other keywords, too.
- bookofjoe 4y agoThanks for pointing me here. Much that is new to this longtime poster/reader.
- gus_massa 4y agoIt was published in the public version of 2009 https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki/blob/9f2e1dd53b5b66bb4d65a33d09d403f1a656f8f6/news.arc#L293-L306 https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki/blob/9f2e1dd53b5b66bb4... Look for "contro-factor" (i.e. controversial-factor). This is old code, and the mods make tweaks here and there without warning, so the details may have changed. (I'm not sure if gravity changed from 1.8 to 1.6 (???).) I didn't test it personally, but it feels like HN is using something very similar. And there are a few black box analysis of the sorting of the front page that got similar results. Also, minimaxir is the kind of person that is probably running an script to use the HN API to verify the claims.
- welder 4y agoIt only has 3 posts per day... it's missing a ton of non-news posts.
- bookofjoe 4y ago"More is never enough." — Mae West
- omniscient_oce 4y agoGreat idea!
- codingdave 4y agoI don't truly see value in someone else hand-picking a few stories and assuming those are the ones I want to read. HN has a simple, easy UI to pick a few stories to read. If there are topics I don't want to read... I just don't. Basically, if you are trying to solve the problem of "I don't want to read news", that is a different problem than "I want a hand-picked list of stories".
- fragmede 4y agoIt would be a nice feature to be able to denylist things that you're explicitly not interested in. Twitter, for example.
- themitigating 4y agoHN would need a system to categorize stories. Maybe tags like "privacy".
- browningstreet 4y agoNo, it would just need a title filter list. I’d like that.
- dexterdog 4y agoWrite a greasemonkey script. There is probably already one out there that you can just install.
- synu 4y agoWould be nice if it was easy to automate with a few filter words.
- amelius 4y agoIt would be nice if we could have collaborative filtering on HN. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_filtering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_filtering
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- spicymaki 4y agoIt would be nice to filter out paywalled content or at least select only paywalled content that I have subscriptions for.
- Growtika 4y agoNice idea! The '10 years ago' is interesting. Could be fun if you add also 3/5/7/10 years tab. It's always fun reading content from The 'About' and 'Privacy' buttons are not working. Consider adding 'archive' section where we could quickly see older newsletter issues
- weird_user 4y agoClick the "Want more?" link at the end of the list to see older entries.
- Growtika 4y agoThanks! Wasn't so intuitive. Adding 'Recent Issues' or 'Archive' at the bottom menu can help with the navigation.
- phgn 4y agoNice idea and congrats on getting it out! HN really is a wonderful resource if you look beyond the current trends. How are you curating the posts -- do you have a guideline on what makes it on the page? I built something similar a while back too, indexing all posts with (YYYY) in the title [0]. Let's do more projects like this! [0] https://hn.lindylearn.io https://hn.lindylearn.io
- weird_user 4y agoThis is impressive, you are mining gold from HN. About the curation: it's just whatever fits my taste.
- phgn 4y agoIt's not me mining the gold, time is. It's the best filter of all :) Good luck with your project! I imagine you have to click through quite a few links to curate the site every day, hopefully it saves the effort for other people.
- lifthrasiir 4y agoRelated idea: Hacker News, but only filters frequent reposts (and aggregates all comments throughout the last decade). Should be called Hacker Olds.
- bookofjoe 4y ago"History is news that stays news."—Stewart Brand
- amelius 4y agoI'm an industry professional looking for a HN without the news/articles about consumer electronics vendors like Apple.
- bookofjoe 4y agoVery cool. I'm in.
- blumomo 4y agoSubscribed, too!
- 1B05H1N 4y agoI have an idea, how about do the same thing but call it Reddit.
- 0x000xca0xfe 4y agoCool to see old stories :) Ask HN: Can use the #1 supercomputer for any project I want. What should it be? hn-miw-i on Jan 12, 2013: Bitcoin. Pay off your student loans one Merkle tree at a time. hn-miw-i on Jan 12, 2013: Ok well blocks generate at an average of 1 / 15 minutes, so about 96 blocks a day. Each block generate 25 BTC reward. At ~14.00 USD/BTC on MtGox right now that about $34k.
- optimalsolver 4y agoI know I’m speaking from hindsight, but if you’d told me the largest BTC exchange is based on Magic: The Gathering, I would’ve known nothing good would come of this.
- mellosouls 4y agoI think it would be useful to give information on the selection criteria and process (automated/manual) - I am assuming by the subtitle this is a manually curated selection. I clicked the About link, but it didn't activate.
- fancyfredbot 4y agoI'm thinking of curating a list of curated lists of interesting technical articles. But I'm worried someone else already did this, because then we'd need a list of lists of lists and we all know what would come next.
- logdahl 4y agoPlease do! I have been looking for curated lists of good tech articles.
- blondin 4y agoi am more interested in that build your own redis in c/c++ book. hope there will be a hardcopy.
- weird_user 4y agoI'm also considering hardcopies, stay tuned.
- samhuk 4y agoSome of my two cents: * I don't really see the value-add of a curated list of what is already a curated list. Down the rabbit hole... * The site's definition of what is included and what is excluded is extremely vague. "general news", "unique views", "interesting stuff". I mean come'on... * At least HN has a relatively excellent definition of what counts as acceptable content (relative to other social media platform's definitions, which are deliberately vague to allow complete hegemonic content control). * If I had a buck every time someone said "Hacker News needs to be more hacker and less news", only to realize that their definition of "hacker" and "news" was very unique to them and so supposing that there should be some filter to "objectively make HN better" was actually very subjective and of little use as a publicly available tool. IMHO, this should have been a private tool of theirs. They could have probably achieved their subjective goal of "more hacker less news" with a little script to filter out HN posts for specific domains and keywords.
- cooperadymas 4y ago> IMHO, this should have been a private tool of theirs. This is the most depressing toxic response masked as constructive criticism that I've read on this site in, well, at least a day. OP should ignore this and continue to put your ideas out there even if they may not be perfect or match someone else's.
- samhuk 4y ago> most depressing toxic response It's concerning that you have such a low bar for using such extreme language, which seems a bit tone-deaf given the point you are trying to make. Couldn't you have phrased that in a less flamebait way? To elaborate and address your valid point, however: OP implies a confusion between the subjective and objective. The site makes statements in an objective way as if they are facts about what is "news", "interesting", and what is bad content. Being a publicly available tool reinforces that implication further. My final takeaway point, as explained by all the previous points before it, was that this is incorrect because the OP's objectively described views are in fact very subjective. This is one in a long line (dozens?) of "HN but more X less X"es, and most make this mistake, which is why they never gain any ground. I could have been less discouraging, however, so I'll try and take that onboard.
- blumomo 4y agoToday 10 years ago, from the posted Show HN: “I hate the news” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5051902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5051902
- xchip 4y agowill you also filter the self booting posts?
- blhblah12345 4y agoI feel you. I'm currently testing a chrome extension to filter out any comment or article containing "Dall-E" or "ChatGPT".
- tomohawk 4y agoIsn't that basically what https://lobste.rs https://lobste.rs is?
- weird_user 4y agoInteresting site! Any ideas on where can I get an invitation?
- avinassh 4y agolooks useful and I subscribed! btw how this is connected to Build your own Redis? is build-your-own some project where people can host their projects? I am interested in learning about the back story
- weird_user 4y agoI'm just reusing a domain name instead of buying a new one. And it could be considered build my own hn.
- djhworld 4y agoInstead of the manual curation could this be automated in some way? e.g. a 'block list' of domains for the major outlets and maybe keyword filter.
- Emigre_ 4y agoWhat a beautiful choice of colors.
- weird_user 4y agoI only used named CSS colors except for the #f60 HN theme color.
- Emigre_ 4y agoApologies, I was a little bit sarcastic and I shouldn’t have been. They are striking because they are unexpected.
- Emigre_ 4y agoThey are beautiful in how they are out of the ordinary, but also difficult to digest for one’s eyes. Orange is complementary colour of blue and green is close to blue as a colour, which produces some visual vibration.
- Emigre_ 4y agoThe real HN page in contrast is “nicer” and more “design-aware”, but also bland. Your colour choices are harder on legibility and less standard, but interesting and original in an artistic way. As somebody interested in these kinds of things, I found that fascinating.
- turtleyacht 4y agoThank-you. Reminds me of JavaScript Standard Style. We may not always want to flag every "newspaper" source, but in a way https://hn.build-your-own.org/ https://hn.build-your-own.org/ removes the need to worry about it. Just like semicolons. (I like semicolons though.) ;
- vitorsr 4y agoI was under the impression that it would be a clone with dynamically filtered out news and media publisher domains (e.g., [1]). It is unfortunate that it is not the case. I am actively looking for a front-end that removes domains taken from some blocklist both from post listings and also from comments and child replies. [1] https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/news-and-media/ https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/news-and-me...
- satisfice 4y agoNews is relevant to all our lives. You can say it isn’t only in the sense that you might say the square root of negative one or the pigeonhole theorem is irrelevant—- it just means you have chosen to let other people use that information to control your life, without your involvement or moral presence. This is okay. But it’s not persuasive. Just like saying you don’t like chocolate is not a persuasive position. I follow the news because I feel connected to society and I want to understand and make sense of that connection. The news presents a perpetual set of philosophical puzzles with which I test my theories and heuristics about human life.
- lloydatkinson 4y agoWatch this get flagged
- karmakaze 4y ago[First off, the colors are so saturated--are they left over from Christmas?] I love the idea and have been striving for the same. Not only don't I want popular news but I also don't want shallow or basic posts which may even harder to filter out. My take on it[0] was to show everything, but grouped so that you could skip entire sections--"twitter" has been a great section to skip. Each section is reverse-chronological and the entire page only shows today's. [Click date at top for yesterday] The goal was for the first uncategorized section to have deep-dive/edge stories that I find the most interesting. Lately I suspect that these are even further down than I'm scanning as there are a smaller and smaller percentage of these left once the rest are sectioned off. I've thought about crowd-sourcing tags/tagging but haven't thought about it clearly enough to implement. [0] https://hackerer.news/ https://hackerer.news/
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