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I emailed the LG CEO and some of the executive board and said (in colorful language) that the only reason I bought this TV was because the quality was unmatched

I emailed the LG CEO and some of the executive board and said (in colorful language) that the only reason I bought this TV was because the quality was unmatched. For the moment LG is the only vendor where I can get an OLED TV like this. But as soon as there are competitors I will remember never to buy LG again for the terrible ad and tv menu experience. I also said how annoying it was that you commit to a particular smart assistant (google or alexa), and the TV will nag you to set up Alexa. I made my choice leave me alone. The analogy is Tesla is the only one making good electric cars. When there's competition, I will never buy Tesla because of the shitty experience. Also for >$1k it should let you use the TV as an HDMI multiviewer. It has 4 HDMI ports on the back, let me view plug in my personal laptop on the port 1, work laptop on port 2, and divide the screen to give each laptop a "2nd monitor". Or even 2 monitors each.

smolyeet 4y ago
I just wish TVs were just the panel without all the smart features. I only use the Apple TV anyways.
- miah_ 4y ago
  Google Dumb TV, there are still plenty of vendors selling them. They are frequently seen in Airports..
  - djbusby 4y ago
    Alibaba has them. I'm running a Scepter 2018 model, just cause it's dumb. Smart devices, dumb display.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    > They are frequently seen in Airports.. You mean for advertising, showing timetables, etc? Those are usually "digital signage" panels. Colors may or may not be OK on those, but there are two things to keep in mind: 1. They are outrageously expensive because they're made to be run blindingly bright 24/7. 2. They are less and less dumb, complete with ridiculously long startup times. The company I work for uses these. And while a few years ago only the higher-priced ones used to feature "smart" features, the "cheaper" ones now have them, too. Now, in our case, we like those because it allows us to control the screens from a central location, and they don't require setting up a Raspberry Pi or similar to show content on them. But "dumb" they are not anymore. They're typically running some form of Android or Samsung's Tizen. I don't directly use them, so I don't know the details, but a quick glance at Samsung's website seems to show that consumer models use Tizen, too.
- dontknowwhyihn 4y ago
  Get a short throw projector. You can plug an apple tv into it and project whatever you want on the wall. It’s the perfect dumb screen.
  - thrwawy74 4y ago
    I really enjoy the color reproduction on true OLEDs.
- cfn 4y ago
  There are LG (and other's) OLED monitors that do away with all the nonsense. They only go up to 48'' though.
  - smolder 4y ago
    It doesn't compare to Frank's 2000 inch tv... But 48" is plenty. If you need more than that you can get a projector. Vote with your money and don't buy smart TVs! They're almost universally user-hostile trash.
- holoduke 4y ago
  I got myself a 60 inch samsung monitor screen for a 1000 euros. Ok its 60hz and no fancy colors. But its more than enough for me.
- 867-5309 4y ago
  in the UK, Cello make dumb variants of their smart TVs, up to 50" 4K
- ianai 4y ago
  I wonder how difficult it would be to stand up a new panel manufacturer or just tv manufacturer? The current prices of TVs makes it seem cheaper than the past, but could be just locking out entrants.
- cube2222 4y ago
  I'm using an apple tv with a fairly new LG OLED and never get any ads (I do let it update). So I think it's just in the WebOS, which I don't really ever use. In other words, you can use it as a stupid panel and not get ads.
- daemin 4y ago
  Don't worry, Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. I'm pretty sure the smart features were put into TVs so they could become the one entertainment device just like those external set top boxes in the early 2000's. All consumer media hardware is headed in this direction of having advertisements, even in paid/subscription services. I base this on the fact that Foxtel (effectively the one and only paid TV service in Australia) has more ads per hour than free to air TV as people that pay a subscription are considered to have a higher income than ones that don't.
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    > Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. Which would completely kill the reason to buy it. I highly doubt that Apple is going to do that.
    - cjbgkagh 4y ago
      Adding ads to a product is one of the easiest ways to get a huge bonus. All of the revenue is attributed to you and most of the reputation is diffused throughout the company and only occurs much later. This almost guarantees that at lesson one person is working on it, without a strong customer focused leadership it’s hard to say no to that amount of money.
    - daemin 4y ago
      They put in ads into iOS, why wouldn't they put in ads in Apple TV?
      - sgjohnson 4y ago
        They did?
        amanaplanacanal 4y ago
        I think they are talking about App Store. And maybe the nag in settings to “finish setting up your iPhone”
- rewgs 4y ago
  I just use a PC plugged into my TV, and a wireless keyboard/trackpad. I don’t see a reason to get an Apple TV or similar —- typing anything is such a pain, and the trend is that no matter what, you’re eventually gonna see some ads. Ublock Origin in a browser is still working great, though.
boyter 4y ago
What got me was when my LG tv updated itself. In doing so it broke the Ethernet connection which I was using because the wifi has an issue where it just stops all of a sudden for no reason. I was able to resolve the wifi issue by resetting the region to another and back and turning off the auto setting for it, but frankly it’s appalling an update can go out that breaks something as basic as Ethernet.
- imiric 4y ago
  This is one of the reasons why I've never connected mine to a network. All features thankfully work fine OOB, and I don't see any ads, but I fear that updating it would only harm the UX, not improve it. The fact a premium TV shows ads is appalling. Does LG really need to sacrifice their brand reputation just to get that advertising revenue? Whoever is calling the shots for this decision should be fired.
  - ssl232 4y ago
    Once Microsoft started putting ads in the Windows start menu all bets were off.
  - parineum 4y ago
    I update via USB. Features do get added that improve the experience but I think that's probably and edge case because I'm using the VRR and HDR heavily as a PC monitor. I haven't had any issues except that I can't turn off bluetooth advertising and, every now and then, a neighbor tries to pair.
  - javajosh 4y ago
    Reputation isn't what it used to be. Which tech news org is willing to risk the wrath of LG, losing early access, losing invitations to events. Money can buy reputation, so as long as the revenue from ads exceeds the cost to repair reputational damage, this will continue. This is also a case where the manufacturer takes advantage of the unstable software Zeitgeist to gaslight users into thinking this is just how things are now, it's normal and natural and if you don't like it you're old/disruptive/weird.
- 4y ago
iancmceachern 4y ago
This lg monitor have let's you do that, agreed that they should extend the capability to their tvs. LG 43UN700-B
- thrwawy74 4y ago
  It annoys me to no end that they're more focused on ads than features that might bring a ton of work-from-home consumers to their store. I remember looking all over for an "hdmi quadviewer" that had all of these things: >= 120hz hdr / 10-bit color edid web admin to adjust layouts (or some other method) I got close, but the biggest thing I can't find is higher framerate viewers. My TV should do this.
beezlewax 4y ago
LG TVs constantly try to get you to install Alexa. To the point that it'll pop up and you'll accidentally install it when you were pressing buttons for something else. I've had to uninstall multiple times between me and visiting friends accidentally installing Alexa.
- Hikikomori 4y ago
  Mine doesn't, I haven't accepted the user agreement that pops up when pressing the microphone button. Maybe it stops if don't accept it?
- TheHappyOddish 4y ago
  FYI, if your TV is rooted (rootmy.tv, or if it's too new: https://github.com/RootMyTV/RootMyTV.github.io/issues/85#issuecomment-1295058979 https://github.com/RootMyTV/RootMyTV.github.io/issues/85#iss...), you can remap the remote: https://github.com/andrewfraley/magic_mapper https://github.com/andrewfraley/magic_mapper
paulcole 4y ago
But you did buy it? -Jack Sparrow, LG CEO
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  Lol, I was thinking that. I’m pretty sure in maximizing profit it’s important to figure out the limit of abuse customers will take, telling them that you’ve reached your limit is almost like saying job well done.
amelius 4y ago
This is why these companies should be broken up into companies that produce flatpanels and companies that produce TVs.
kapilvt 4y ago
I was really questioning the size of big monitors (40+) as a convergence to tv, but unusable as desktop monitor, but now it appears they are a good replacement for a tv, sans the ads tracking, spam, and crappy interface.
PaulBGD_ 4y ago
You could get a Sony TV, they’ve been making OLED tvs since 2017. A lot of them (all? I had a hard time finding sources on some) use the exact same panels as LG.
selfmodruntime 4y ago
They still got your money, and will continue to do so if their products are worth it.

smolyeet 4y ago

I just wish TVs were just the panel without all the smart features. I only use the Apple TV anyways.

miah_ 4y ago
Google Dumb TV, there are still plenty of vendors selling them. They are frequently seen in Airports..
- djbusby 4y ago
  Alibaba has them. I'm running a Scepter 2018 model, just cause it's dumb. Smart devices, dumb display.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  > They are frequently seen in Airports.. You mean for advertising, showing timetables, etc? Those are usually "digital signage" panels. Colors may or may not be OK on those, but there are two things to keep in mind: 1. They are outrageously expensive because they're made to be run blindingly bright 24/7. 2. They are less and less dumb, complete with ridiculously long startup times. The company I work for uses these. And while a few years ago only the higher-priced ones used to feature "smart" features, the "cheaper" ones now have them, too. Now, in our case, we like those because it allows us to control the screens from a central location, and they don't require setting up a Raspberry Pi or similar to show content on them. But "dumb" they are not anymore. They're typically running some form of Android or Samsung's Tizen. I don't directly use them, so I don't know the details, but a quick glance at Samsung's website seems to show that consumer models use Tizen, too.
dontknowwhyihn 4y ago
Get a short throw projector. You can plug an apple tv into it and project whatever you want on the wall. It’s the perfect dumb screen.
- thrwawy74 4y ago
  I really enjoy the color reproduction on true OLEDs.
cfn 4y ago
There are LG (and other's) OLED monitors that do away with all the nonsense. They only go up to 48'' though.
- smolder 4y ago
  It doesn't compare to Frank's 2000 inch tv... But 48" is plenty. If you need more than that you can get a projector. Vote with your money and don't buy smart TVs! They're almost universally user-hostile trash.
holoduke 4y ago
I got myself a 60 inch samsung monitor screen for a 1000 euros. Ok its 60hz and no fancy colors. But its more than enough for me.
867-5309 4y ago
in the UK, Cello make dumb variants of their smart TVs, up to 50" 4K
ianai 4y ago
I wonder how difficult it would be to stand up a new panel manufacturer or just tv manufacturer? The current prices of TVs makes it seem cheaper than the past, but could be just locking out entrants.
cube2222 4y ago
I'm using an apple tv with a fairly new LG OLED and never get any ads (I do let it update). So I think it's just in the WebOS, which I don't really ever use. In other words, you can use it as a stupid panel and not get ads.
daemin 4y ago
Don't worry, Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. I'm pretty sure the smart features were put into TVs so they could become the one entertainment device just like those external set top boxes in the early 2000's. All consumer media hardware is headed in this direction of having advertisements, even in paid/subscription services. I base this on the fact that Foxtel (effectively the one and only paid TV service in Australia) has more ads per hour than free to air TV as people that pay a subscription are considered to have a higher income than ones that don't.
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  > Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. Which would completely kill the reason to buy it. I highly doubt that Apple is going to do that.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    Adding ads to a product is one of the easiest ways to get a huge bonus. All of the revenue is attributed to you and most of the reputation is diffused throughout the company and only occurs much later. This almost guarantees that at lesson one person is working on it, without a strong customer focused leadership it’s hard to say no to that amount of money.
  - daemin 4y ago
    They put in ads into iOS, why wouldn't they put in ads in Apple TV?
    - sgjohnson 4y ago
      They did?
      - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
        I think they are talking about App Store. And maybe the nag in settings to “finish setting up your iPhone”
rewgs 4y ago
I just use a PC plugged into my TV, and a wireless keyboard/trackpad. I don’t see a reason to get an Apple TV or similar —- typing anything is such a pain, and the trend is that no matter what, you’re eventually gonna see some ads. Ublock Origin in a browser is still working great, though.

boyter 4y ago

What got me was when my LG tv updated itself. In doing so it broke the Ethernet connection which I was using because the wifi has an issue where it just stops all of a sudden for no reason. I was able to resolve the wifi issue by resetting the region to another and back and turning off the auto setting for it, but frankly it’s appalling an update can go out that breaks something as basic as Ethernet.

imiric 4y ago
This is one of the reasons why I've never connected mine to a network. All features thankfully work fine OOB, and I don't see any ads, but I fear that updating it would only harm the UX, not improve it. The fact a premium TV shows ads is appalling. Does LG really need to sacrifice their brand reputation just to get that advertising revenue? Whoever is calling the shots for this decision should be fired.
- ssl232 4y ago
  Once Microsoft started putting ads in the Windows start menu all bets were off.
- parineum 4y ago
  I update via USB. Features do get added that improve the experience but I think that's probably and edge case because I'm using the VRR and HDR heavily as a PC monitor. I haven't had any issues except that I can't turn off bluetooth advertising and, every now and then, a neighbor tries to pair.
- javajosh 4y ago
  Reputation isn't what it used to be. Which tech news org is willing to risk the wrath of LG, losing early access, losing invitations to events. Money can buy reputation, so as long as the revenue from ads exceeds the cost to repair reputational damage, this will continue. This is also a case where the manufacturer takes advantage of the unstable software Zeitgeist to gaslight users into thinking this is just how things are now, it's normal and natural and if you don't like it you're old/disruptive/weird.
4y ago

iancmceachern 4y ago

This lg monitor have let's you do that, agreed that they should extend the capability to their tvs. LG 43UN700-B

thrwawy74 4y ago
It annoys me to no end that they're more focused on ads than features that might bring a ton of work-from-home consumers to their store. I remember looking all over for an "hdmi quadviewer" that had all of these things: >= 120hz hdr / 10-bit color edid web admin to adjust layouts (or some other method) I got close, but the biggest thing I can't find is higher framerate viewers. My TV should do this.

beezlewax 4y ago

LG TVs constantly try to get you to install Alexa. To the point that it'll pop up and you'll accidentally install it when you were pressing buttons for something else. I've had to uninstall multiple times between me and visiting friends accidentally installing Alexa.

Hikikomori 4y ago
Mine doesn't, I haven't accepted the user agreement that pops up when pressing the microphone button. Maybe it stops if don't accept it?
TheHappyOddish 4y ago
FYI, if your TV is rooted (rootmy.tv, or if it's too new: https://github.com/RootMyTV/RootMyTV.github.io/issues/85#issuecomment-1295058979 https://github.com/RootMyTV/RootMyTV.github.io/issues/85#iss...), you can remap the remote: https://github.com/andrewfraley/magic_mapper https://github.com/andrewfraley/magic_mapper

paulcole 4y ago

But you did buy it? -Jack Sparrow, LG CEO

cjbgkagh 4y ago
Lol, I was thinking that. I’m pretty sure in maximizing profit it’s important to figure out the limit of abuse customers will take, telling them that you’ve reached your limit is almost like saying job well done.

amelius 4y ago

This is why these companies should be broken up into companies that produce flatpanels and companies that produce TVs.

kapilvt 4y ago

I was really questioning the size of big monitors (40+) as a convergence to tv, but unusable as desktop monitor, but now it appears they are a good replacement for a tv, sans the ads tracking, spam, and crappy interface.

PaulBGD_ 4y ago

You could get a Sony TV, they’ve been making OLED tvs since 2017. A lot of them (all? I had a hard time finding sources on some) use the exact same panels as LG.

selfmodruntime 4y ago

They still got your money, and will continue to do so if their products are worth it.