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> For some people, prices will double overnight. For others, it’ll be nothing. Others still yet will split the difference on a wide-ranging scale in between tho

> For some people, prices will double overnight. For others, it’ll be nothing. Others still yet will split the difference on a wide-ranging scale in between those points. The determining factor? Theoretically a combination of which country you’re in, when exactly you signed up, whether you’re on annual or monthly plans, and finally, exactly what today’s date is, relative to the date of your subscription renewal. I’m not kidding, you can’t make this up. This sounds like the over-complicated scheme you get after too many product managers spend 6 months holding meetings where nobody wants to back down, so instead they continue to add complexity until every last piece of the decision is a compromise.

seneca 4y ago
I think you hit it dead on. This is design by committee and organizational dysfunction. Strava has been flailing for years now, dropping much used features and just generally antagonizing its customer base. It's a wonder they're still around and as widely used as they are. Just goes to show how many bad decisions you can absorb as a market leader, I suppose.
- chairmanwow1 4y ago
  What is a good alternative? I want some analytics / tools for training specific distances.
  - camel_gopher 4y ago
    TrainerRoad is outstanding for structured training. Doesn't have the social aspect.
  - oezi 4y ago
    Intervals.icu
    - mbesto 4y ago
      https://intervals.icu/ https://intervals.icu/ - for the lazy The app is incredible if you're a data junky and very serious about performance. Strava is more sexy about maps and sharing though.
      - InCityDreams 4y ago
        Intervals has maps and can be shared. I'm already in a couple of groups. Getting more people to jump across may be easier, now. Thanks strava.
  - amateurdev 4y ago
    If you're a Garmin device user, the app is pretty good! I only recently started using their app more often and barring the social aspects, I dont think Strava offers me anything more. HR zones, recovery etc are all already in the Garmin app whereas its paid on Strava. I guess for those who want routes/segments might gravitate towards Strava but I use a fairly standard set of routes so I dont value in that either.
  - ohyoutravel 4y ago
    SmashRun https://smashrun.com/ https://smashrun.com/ if you do only running activities. It’s great. Though while I pay for that, I also pay for strava since 2012 and will continue to do so. Disagree with grandparent post, I think strava has become better and better over time and I find it more engaging and useful than before.
- stephencoyner 4y ago
  Agreed it would seem there is a lack of product vision at this point
walrus01 4y ago
Eventually taken to its logical conclusion, you end up with something that looks like the terms and conditions and contract clauses seen when signing up for a "promotional" offer price on a 24 or 36-month service term with a famously consumer abusive Canadian cellular carrier like Bell, Telus or Rogers or one of their sub-brands wholly owned MVNOs. Or for "landline" Telus fiber based last mile ISP service bundled with TV.
adrr 4y ago
When you get too many MBAs into a room. Pricing and features are based on an excel model optimizing for revenue with some magic numbers someone picked out of a hat that determines price sensitivity by region. Don’t let your CFO drive. They are a support role only.
- bunsenhoneydew 4y ago
  I couldn’t agree more with “Don’t let your CFO drive”. I’ve worked at several companies that turned to absolute shit as a result of exactly this.
yieldcrv 4y ago
To me it sounds more like they have key clients already paying wildly different arrangements, who are going to want to get out of the contract if they learn the new pricing Its going to burn alot of bridges and there’s no way out of the quagmire Its just a case study of when the means (always be closing) stop justifying the end
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seneca 4y ago

I think you hit it dead on. This is design by committee and organizational dysfunction. Strava has been flailing for years now, dropping much used features and just generally antagonizing its customer base. It's a wonder they're still around and as widely used as they are. Just goes to show how many bad decisions you can absorb as a market leader, I suppose.

chairmanwow1 4y ago
What is a good alternative? I want some analytics / tools for training specific distances.
- camel_gopher 4y ago
  TrainerRoad is outstanding for structured training. Doesn't have the social aspect.
- oezi 4y ago
  Intervals.icu
  - mbesto 4y ago
    https://intervals.icu/ https://intervals.icu/ - for the lazy The app is incredible if you're a data junky and very serious about performance. Strava is more sexy about maps and sharing though.
    - InCityDreams 4y ago
      Intervals has maps and can be shared. I'm already in a couple of groups. Getting more people to jump across may be easier, now. Thanks strava.
- amateurdev 4y ago
  If you're a Garmin device user, the app is pretty good! I only recently started using their app more often and barring the social aspects, I dont think Strava offers me anything more. HR zones, recovery etc are all already in the Garmin app whereas its paid on Strava. I guess for those who want routes/segments might gravitate towards Strava but I use a fairly standard set of routes so I dont value in that either.
- ohyoutravel 4y ago
  SmashRun https://smashrun.com/ https://smashrun.com/ if you do only running activities. It’s great. Though while I pay for that, I also pay for strava since 2012 and will continue to do so. Disagree with grandparent post, I think strava has become better and better over time and I find it more engaging and useful than before.
stephencoyner 4y ago
Agreed it would seem there is a lack of product vision at this point

walrus01 4y ago

Eventually taken to its logical conclusion, you end up with something that looks like the terms and conditions and contract clauses seen when signing up for a "promotional" offer price on a 24 or 36-month service term with a famously consumer abusive Canadian cellular carrier like Bell, Telus or Rogers or one of their sub-brands wholly owned MVNOs. Or for "landline" Telus fiber based last mile ISP service bundled with TV.

adrr 4y ago

When you get too many MBAs into a room. Pricing and features are based on an excel model optimizing for revenue with some magic numbers someone picked out of a hat that determines price sensitivity by region. Don’t let your CFO drive. They are a support role only.

bunsenhoneydew 4y ago
I couldn’t agree more with “Don’t let your CFO drive”. I’ve worked at several companies that turned to absolute shit as a result of exactly this.

yieldcrv 4y ago

To me it sounds more like they have key clients already paying wildly different arrangements, who are going to want to get out of the contract if they learn the new pricing Its going to burn alot of bridges and there’s no way out of the quagmire Its just a case study of when the means (always be closing) stop justifying the end

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