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Facebook had downtime on all services, globally... for like 7 hours 2021, facebook is how many orders of magnitude bigger than Twitter? And a regional outage v

Facebook had downtime on all services, globally... for like 7 hours 2021, facebook is how many orders of magnitude bigger than Twitter? And a regional outage vs the internet claiming twitter would be offline completely?

highwaylights 4y ago
Half an order of magnitude bigger, at most. A regional outage of that size is embarrassing whatever way you slice it. Leaving all that aside, he’s driving a massive subset of his users away at a time when he really needs all the users he can get. You can spin this however you like, this is not a good situation for him. He’s said as much outright and implied it repeatedly. Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy, and Tesla has been flat out told FSD, the feature they’ve been selling all their cars based on (which he has said himself the company is worthless without), just isn’t happening. This is dire for him.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  > Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy, and Tesla has been flat out told FSD, the feature they’ve been selling all their cars based on (which he has said himself the company is worthless without), just isn’t happening. As much as I hope Elon loses everthing. This isn't even related to downtime of Twitter. Volentarly shutting down twitter due to it being bankrupt is not the same as it falling over and having outages. So I'm really not trying to spin anything. You're trying to take something unrelated and use it as justification as to why big bad billionaire do bad.
  - highwaylights 4y ago
    This is a fair comment, I'll clarify why I mentioned that. Bringing up Tesla and SpaceX was only to point out that he doesn't really have any way to bail out bad Twitter decisions despite it being a (relatively) smaller company. There's nowhere to pull extra finances from to bail this out, and it's known he already went into debt to make the purchase. I really don't want him to lose anything. I'd like him to go back in time to when he first installed Twitter on his phone and slap the thing out of his own hand and scream "NO! THAT'S A BAD ELON!"
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      In that case I agree. I can assume one of the primary reasons for cutting staff and offices is to reduce costs and hopefully get cash flow positive asap even if it’s $1 positive. That puts him in a better position to stop incurring debt.
    - flerchin 4y ago
      Maybe spray him with a water bottle to really discourage the behavior.
      - highwaylights 4y ago
        All the money in the world and what he really needed was a close family member to wave a rolled up newspaper at him disapprovingly.
- iainmerrick 4y ago
  Not to disagree with your general point, I just want to nitpick this: Half an order of magnitude bigger, at most I think you're overestimating Twitter and underestimating Facebook. I don't know the best source for official stats, but a quick google suggests Twitter is ~300M users and Facebook is ~3B, so one order of magnitude. And of course the new Twitter CEO used the interesting bargaining tactic of talking down his own purchase by implying many of those 300M users are bots... Joking aside, you could argue that very few of those 3B Facebook users are active, and you'd be right; but exactly the same can be said of Twitter and there's no good reason to think the ratio is any better or worse there.
  - aaron695 4y ago
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- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy At least in the case of SpaceX the US government will more likely than not step in and nationalize them out of national security requirements.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    It always good to have fallback solution, isn't it?
  - WJW 4y ago
    That's nice for the US space industry, but won't help Elon in the slightest with his money problems.
- kortilla 4y ago
  >SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy Companies months from bankruptcy don’t get to take a higher valuation in a down market: https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/01/03/elon-musks-spacex-valued-at-137-billion-in-latest-funding-round/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/01/03/elon-musks-space...
  - rvnx 4y ago
    SpaceX is a great company, worth investing into, because of their ISP + phone telco business (lot of people are ready to pay a high price for that) and a very difficult space technology to reproduce, nobody is going to compete soon. Twitter is different, it's more like MySpace.
    - camjohnson26 4y ago
      StarLink isn’t profitable, so that’s the kiss of death in a down market. Doesn’t matter how good the product is or how much people will pay if the replacement satellites to keep it running cost more.
      - marcosdumay 4y ago
        StarLink is the right out of the book case for VC investment. One should expect several years before it gets profitable, and with very large initial investment. It's also very difficult to replicate, so whatever market there is there is a high likelihood for it to capture. That means that it should be judged like a startup. Did it demonstrate a market? If so, it's valuable, if not, it's not. Current cash flow isn't very relevant.
      - rlt 4y ago
        Starlink is likely roughly break even launching on Falcon 9. The latest $137B valuation is likely predicated on Starship working as expected.
  - simiones 4y ago
    Still, when the president of a company tells that to his employees, you can't completely ignore his words, even if it's Elon Musk.
Sebb767 4y ago
And that outage was the first of its kind in a long time and made a lot of news. It's not like this is usual in any way.

highwaylights 4y ago

Half an order of magnitude bigger, at most. A regional outage of that size is embarrassing whatever way you slice it. Leaving all that aside, he’s driving a massive subset of his users away at a time when he really needs all the users he can get. You can spin this however you like, this is not a good situation for him. He’s said as much outright and implied it repeatedly. Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy, and Tesla has been flat out told FSD, the feature they’ve been selling all their cars based on (which he has said himself the company is worthless without), just isn’t happening. This is dire for him.

philliphaydon 4y ago
> Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy, and Tesla has been flat out told FSD, the feature they’ve been selling all their cars based on (which he has said himself the company is worthless without), just isn’t happening. As much as I hope Elon loses everthing. This isn't even related to downtime of Twitter. Volentarly shutting down twitter due to it being bankrupt is not the same as it falling over and having outages. So I'm really not trying to spin anything. You're trying to take something unrelated and use it as justification as to why big bad billionaire do bad.
- highwaylights 4y ago
  This is a fair comment, I'll clarify why I mentioned that. Bringing up Tesla and SpaceX was only to point out that he doesn't really have any way to bail out bad Twitter decisions despite it being a (relatively) smaller company. There's nowhere to pull extra finances from to bail this out, and it's known he already went into debt to make the purchase. I really don't want him to lose anything. I'd like him to go back in time to when he first installed Twitter on his phone and slap the thing out of his own hand and scream "NO! THAT'S A BAD ELON!"
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    In that case I agree. I can assume one of the primary reasons for cutting staff and offices is to reduce costs and hopefully get cash flow positive asap even if it’s $1 positive. That puts him in a better position to stop incurring debt.
  - flerchin 4y ago
    Maybe spray him with a water bottle to really discourage the behavior.
    - highwaylights 4y ago
      All the money in the world and what he really needed was a close family member to wave a rolled up newspaper at him disapprovingly.
iainmerrick 4y ago
Not to disagree with your general point, I just want to nitpick this: Half an order of magnitude bigger, at most I think you're overestimating Twitter and underestimating Facebook. I don't know the best source for official stats, but a quick google suggests Twitter is ~300M users and Facebook is ~3B, so one order of magnitude. And of course the new Twitter CEO used the interesting bargaining tactic of talking down his own purchase by implying many of those 300M users are bots... Joking aside, you could argue that very few of those 3B Facebook users are active, and you'd be right; but exactly the same can be said of Twitter and there's no good reason to think the ratio is any better or worse there.
- aaron695 4y ago
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mschuster91 4y ago
> Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy At least in the case of SpaceX the US government will more likely than not step in and nationalize them out of national security requirements.
- hef19898 4y ago
  It always good to have fallback solution, isn't it?
- WJW 4y ago
  That's nice for the US space industry, but won't help Elon in the slightest with his money problems.
kortilla 4y ago
>SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy Companies months from bankruptcy don’t get to take a higher valuation in a down market: https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/01/03/elon-musks-spacex-valued-at-137-billion-in-latest-funding-round/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/01/03/elon-musks-space...
- rvnx 4y ago
  SpaceX is a great company, worth investing into, because of their ISP + phone telco business (lot of people are ready to pay a high price for that) and a very difficult space technology to reproduce, nobody is going to compete soon. Twitter is different, it's more like MySpace.
  - camjohnson26 4y ago
    StarLink isn’t profitable, so that’s the kiss of death in a down market. Doesn’t matter how good the product is or how much people will pay if the replacement satellites to keep it running cost more.
    - marcosdumay 4y ago
      StarLink is the right out of the book case for VC investment. One should expect several years before it gets profitable, and with very large initial investment. It's also very difficult to replicate, so whatever market there is there is a high likelihood for it to capture. That means that it should be judged like a startup. Did it demonstrate a market? If so, it's valuable, if not, it's not. Current cash flow isn't very relevant.
    - rlt 4y ago
      Starlink is likely roughly break even launching on Falcon 9. The latest $137B valuation is likely predicated on Starship working as expected.
- simiones 4y ago
  Still, when the president of a company tells that to his employees, you can't completely ignore his words, even if it's Elon Musk.

Sebb767 4y ago

And that outage was the first of its kind in a long time and made a lot of news. It's not like this is usual in any way.