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(For anyone interested, here's a rehash of a comment I made a while back http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1097801 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1097801
by Sukotto 15y ago
(For anyone interested, here's a rehash of a comment I made a while back http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1097801 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1097801 which suggests you be flexible on salary to gain a larger total compensation. If you haven't worked out these numbers in advance, this is how I think you should spend the extra time the OP's tip will give you)
Keep firmly in mind that your salary is only one term in the overall equation adding up your total compensation. Total compensation = sum(salary, daycare, commute costs, conferences, professional development, 401k matching, ...)
Consider, for example, lunch. Here in NYC, a company that buys you a $10 sandwich for lunch every day is giving you $3,330+ salary equivalent (Assuming you're in the 25% tax bracket) [1]
Take the time to sit down and do something along the following lines:
- list out benefits a company might offer
- group them into things you care about and things you don't (don't have kids -> don't need daycare)
- for the things you care about, think about how much each one would cost you to pay for yourself
- think about what minimum level of that benefit you would accept, happy, and ecstatic. (eg. Minimum: company pays for one local conference/year. Happy: one conference anywhere in US/yr. ecstatic: more than one conference anywhere in the world)
- for the ones you DON'T care about, think about how much it costs the company to pay for each
When it comes time to negotiate your compensation, always think in sets. Think (and talk) in terms of how moving any one piece requires movement on a different piece. Give up the things in the "don't care" set to gain at least as much value in the "want" set.
Eg. They want to give you less money, you can agree to that, if they give you X more vacation days.
Eg. They offer free daycare, you say that you appreciate that, but since you don't have kids you would rather have "work at home Fridays" and a slightly larger 401k match.
By considering the total you are much more likely to get a better overall package
[1]
(salary equivalent) = (daily cost * 5 days/wk * 50 wks/yr)
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( 1 - tax rate )
25% tax bracket
$ 5 lunch = (5 * 5 * 50)/(75%) = $1,667 salary
$10 lunch = $3,333
So every $1 the company saves you (by buying your lunch or your monthly parking or whatever) is worth $333 in salary in the 25% tax bracket. (Assuming you don't change to a different tax bracket by the change to your cash salary)
- krupan 15y agoThat's one way to look at it, but keep in mind how many other benefits are based off your salary. Raises[1] are often some percentage of your base salary. 401k match? Percentage of your salary. Bonuses? Often a percentage of your salary. Life insurance, AD&D benefits, long- and short-term disability, which you hopefully will never need, but if you do, all pay out according to your base salary. Keep all that in mind when you are doing the math. With a higher salary you can pay for day-care yourself (and still deduct it from your taxes) and bring a sandwich from home for lunch. 1. If a raise ever comes at all. Do not plan on it when you are negotiating your salary, even if they tell you everyone has gotten a 10% raise every year for the past 10 years.
- edward 15y agoYou have to pay income tax on the $10 sandwich.
- joezydeco 15y agoIs that true? Are Googlers getting 1099s for those awesome catered meals 3 times a day?
- edward 15y agoHere is what J.K. Lasser's Your Income Tax 2010 has to say on the subject: The value of employer-furnished meals is not taxable if furnished on your employer's business premises for the employer's convenience. The employer convenience test requires proof that an employer provides the free meals or lodging for a business purpose other than providing extra pay. In the case of meals, the employer convenience test is deemed to be satisfied for all meals provided on employer premises if a qualifying business purpose is shown for more than 50% of the meals. If meals are described in a contract or state statute as extra pay, this does not bar tax-free treatment provided they are also furnished for other substantial, noncompensatory business reasons; for example, you are required to be on call 24 hours a day, or there are inadequate eating facilities near the business premises.
- thurn 15y ago