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I believe the car was in "Full Self Driving" and not "Autopilot"?
by gundmc 4y ago
I believe the car was in "Full Self Driving" and not "Autopilot"?
- gfodor 4y agoIt’s unclear because FSD is supposed to switch to autopilot on highways. The driver said it was in FSD mode but they may just not realize that switchover occurs.
- nanidin 4y agoIn any case, navigate on autopilot can change lanes on the highway without user intervention so it seems like an insignificant detail.
- gfodor 4y agoNot sure what you mean. If autopilot has a bug then there is a good chance a lot of other cars do too, since (afaik) autopilot is not at its core Tesla proprietary tech like FSD.
- MBCook 4y agoI think it is proprietary. Other cars have similar features, but I don’t think they run the same system.
- nanidin 4y agoMy point is that as an end user, there is basically no difference between autopilot and FSD if the FSD beta is enabled on the car. It's a technical detail that doesn't seem significant. If the end user said they were driving on FSD, it likely means they are enrolled in the FSD beta and were using autopilot - in the car there is no distinction between autopilot and FSD. They are the same thing in the car if the FSD beta is enabled.
- gfodor 4y agoSure my point had nothing to do with the user experience but the post-mortem on what to make of what actually happened and what needs to be done about it. In that context it is highly relevant. The person I was responding to seemed to be asking about which actual system was being used to navigate the vehicle.
- gleenn 4y agoWhat's the difference if you have a Tesla that is FSD capable but it is disabled? I bought into FSD because I had the cash but disabled it.
- nanidin 4y agoFSD is basically navigation on city streets. If you disable FSD beta, then you have plain autopilot on city streets (TACC + steering to stay in your lane).
- actionfromafar 4y agoAnd here is the whole problem. It’s not good UX.
- modeless 4y agoAutomatic switching between FSD and Autopilot is not any kind of UX problem. There is no reason the driver needs to be aware of it. The driver does not need to take any action at all. The only difference is the type of road. But which software was in use is relevant here because people are trying to blame this on FSD. Whenever you're on a freeway, Autopilot is used automatically instead of FSD, so FSD had nothing to do with this regardless of whether the car had FSD installed or not. This is the same Autopilot software that has been available and in use for many years.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoWhen responsible for overseeing a multi-ton vehicle, I like to know how it will behave. Cruise control and lane assist I understand. I need to know which one is in control and how it will behave if they can respond differently.
- modeless 4y agoThere is no difference in behavior when switching from FSD to Autopilot or vice versa. And there is never any ambiguity about which is active because it is completely determined by road type which you're obviously aware of while driving.
- TheCleric 4y agoThen, other than pedantry, is their a meaningful difference?
- modeless 4y agoYes, FSD is essentially a complete rewrite of Autopilot which will soon replace it for freeway driving too. Autopilot has been available for many years and FSD is new. This accident could have happened years ago and is not evidence of any issue with the new FSD stuff.
- Balgair 4y agoCHP also said it was in FSD mode.
- Animats 4y agoThat this is even being discussed means it needed to be covered in ground school. Autopilot mode setting errors are a serious problem in aircraft operations. Read NTSB crash reports. That's the trouble with this semi-automated mode. It re-creates a known problem in aircraft automation. And without the training pilots receive.